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April 28, 2010
12:48 PM
Taz
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Does anyone know if there is a way to force a program to use the Default Browser instead of whatever browser the programmer chooses (99% of the time, IE).

Example: Many programs will bring up a webpage when you go into "Help". On several occasions I've had a program bring up IE to display the page when Firefox is set as my default browser. I do not ever want to use IE unless I choose to!

 

 

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April 28, 2010
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If you are a Win XP user then go to Control Panel open Add/Remove Program and click on "Set Program Access and Default" and choose "Firefox" as a default Web brower there.

Hope this helps. Thanks.

April 28, 2010
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Sandeep said:

If you are a Win XP user then go to Control Panel open Add/Remove Program and click on "Set Program Access and Default" and choose "Firefox" as a default Web brower there.

Hope this helps. Thanks.


 

FYI, this guy has already set his default browser to Firefox. What he wants to do is to prevent other programs from opening IE and not Firefox.

Answer to your problem: Uninstall IE.

April 28, 2010
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freewareelite said:

Answer to your problem: Uninstall IE.


 

I agree that uninstalling IE sounds like a quick and easy way to solve the problem. I would caution about doing that tho because I have had a couple times where in order to update drivers or install other things from MS, it would only do it in IE. When I tried in FF I got a message saying I had to do it while in IE.

Sorry I don't remember exactly which updates or whatever I got those messages for. But to be honest, it's only happened a couple times.

I also wonder if a program that opens in IE, even tho it isn't the default browser, will open in any other browser or if an error message will pop up. I just don't know and haven't ever tried it before. I do think that is a valid question however.

You might want to wait a couple more days and see if any other ideas come up for how to deal with the issue. Then if nothing comes up, uninstall IE. I'd probably keep an install file for IE in a convenient place tho, so you can reinstall IE   if   you run into a situation where you have to do something in IE.

And Taz, keep in mind that I don't have half the tech knowledge that the majority of people in this forum have. I could easily be so far off base with my thinking that it isn't even funny.

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April 28, 2010
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Wheezer said:

I'd probably keep an install file for IE in a convenient place tho, so you can reinstall IE   if   you run into a situation where you have to do something in IE.


 

Actually MS keeps the install files on your computer for that very reason.  Even if you uninstall it.

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April 29, 2010
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freewareelite said:

Sandeep said:

If you are a Win XP user then go to Control Panel open Add/Remove Program and click on "Set Program Access and Default" and choose "Firefox" as a default Web brower there.

Hope this helps. Thanks.


 

FYI, this guy has already set his default browser to Firefox. What he wants to do is to prevent other programs from opening IE and not Firefox.

Answer to your problem: Uninstall IE.


 

I have read what Taz has asked for. I know he has set the default brower to firefox and that what i had set for but then also few program use IE. I have myself seen that issue and what i mentioned in my above post fixed the issue. And once firefox is set under "Set Program Access and Default" then all the program will use firefox.

April 29, 2010
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Sandeep said:

I have read what Taz has asked for. I know he has set the default brower to firefox and that what i had set for but then also few program use IE. I have myself seen that issue and what i mentioned in my above post fixed the issue. And once firefox is set under "Set Program Access and Default" then all the program will use firefox.


 

Surprised That is actually an excellent tip if it works as you say. Can someone confirm? It is not that I don't believe you Sandeep, but I know that the problem Taz mentions happens because developer specifically call IE to open, instead of calling the default browser, so I have my doubts that it works, hence I would like others to confirm it.

April 29, 2010
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What Sandeep says, simply doesn't work.

There are a lot of programs that open IE even if its not the default browser.

However, the initial question makes me wonder:

What is the problem if a couple of programs behave like that?

Just let them open, so what?

 

IMHO, its not such a serious technical problem to spend time for.

April 29, 2010
5:09 AM
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jumbi said:

What Sandeep says, simply doesn't work.

There are a lot of programs that open IE even if its not the default browser.

However, the initial question makes me wonder:

What is the problem if a couple of programs behave like that?

Just let them open, so what?

 

IMHO, its not such a serious technical problem to spend time for.


 

Good points. And to add to what Ashraf mentioned, if it can not be verified to work, then it's not a solution.

I know IE ain't the greatest, but I'm simply used to it, as it is so ubiquitous when using public & school computers as much as I do, & use it at home too.

Not necessarily the case here, but instead of just issues of browser preferences, I do see lots of hatin' going on towards IE around other forums. 

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April 29, 2010
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Just my 2 cents worth.  If I'm out of date on this info, pls. let me know.

 

1.  Even if I.E. isn't your browser of choice, do not attempt to uninstall it, it is tied into Windows Explorer.

 

2.  Personally I h8 I.E., but as mentioned before, not only MS, but there are other sites that will not work in any other browser other than I.E.  Example, here in Canada, when using government sites, one can't get some information, or file your income tax unless you use I.E. etc.

 

As for point 1, that could have changed so pls advise if that is so.

 

 

April 29, 2010
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In Windows 7 they let you remove IE8. :D

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April 29, 2010
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Thanks to all for your feedback. All of it is valuable. Taking everything that was said here, I did some further investigation.

First I would like to respond to jumbi's question:

jumbi said:

However, the initial question makes me wonder:

What is the problem if a couple of programs behave like that?

Just let them open, so what?

IMHO, its not such a serious technical problem to spend time for.


 

I am a fervent Firefox user. Others may prefer IE, Opera, Safari or whatever. The point of bringing this issue up is that, IMHO, it should be up to me as the owner of my computer what browser is used.

Here is what I found upon further investigation:

My firefox settings where, in fact, set to check if Firefox was the default browser:

However, if you think about it, this option probably only applies when Firefox is started. It is simply a check, not an enforcement.

When I went into Add or Remove Programs/Set Program Access Defaults, as suggested, here is what I found:

My settings were not set to specifically use Firefox.

So, I next selected Mozilla Firefox and saved the setting. Then I brought up my test – in this case, Linkman/Help, click on Tutorial, which takes you to their website.

Test Case result? It fired up IE. Confused

I next went into Add or Remove Programs and un-checked the Enable access to this program for IE, thinking this would disable it. I verified this by displaying the Internet Properties menu which no longer had the option to set IE as the default browser:

Before changing Enable Access setting:

After changing Enable Access setting:

Test case result: Still brings up IE! Yell

Upon further reading – Un-checking Enable Access only removes any shortcuts on your system to IE; It does not disable access globally.

Summary:

It appears that to disable IE it must be, in fact, uninstalled.

I had thought about uninstalling IE in the past, not for this problem, but just to clean up my system. However, I did not do it because, as some of you have also stated, I am afraid there might be dependencies on IE built into Windows. I'm not sure about Windows Explorer (as questioned above), but I'm pretty sure Microsoft Update depends on it, even if it is accessed through Help and Support instead of directly through IE.

Also, as pointed out above, on rare occasions I have run into websites that do not work correctly in Firefox, but do work in IE (a "bug" in that website's code, IMO. Confused )

So…..What I will do, and have done in the past, is report any forced IE access by a program as a bug. I did this once with a program called "SnagIt" and the response was "We'll fix it……someday."Confused

Anyway, Thanks again for the feedback, and I hope everyone learned something. I know I did!!Wink

 

 

 

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April 29, 2010
12:48 PM
Taz
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BTW, I have another problem with my computer that I think will prove to be a challange to even the most Windows knowledgeable of you.

It'll take some doing to document it, but I'll try to get to it soon. I'll post it in the Tech Support forum.

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April 29, 2010
2:10 PM
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Taz said:

BTW, I have another problem with my computer that I think will prove to be a challange to even the most Windows knowledgeable of you.

It'll take some doing to document it, but I'll try to get to it soon. I'll post it in the Tech Support forum.


 

Looking forward to that!

 

 

Also, IE is not so deeply integrated in 7.  However in previous versions (95-Vista) it is fully integrated.

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April 29, 2010
5:38 PM
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Great analysis Taz!

I would bet for this result, just from experience…

A few extra points for clarifications-ideas:

- I bet again that windows update is impossible without IE (for XP).

- A practical suggestion for usage of browsers, as I prefer it:

I use also Firefox with my dozen favorite addons for every day needs. Can't live without it. For the few sites that need IE, again there are some useful addons (IE tab, IE view etc -but remember these addons need IE to be installed).

For some sites that I need to use often with separate cookies and occasionally for general surfing, I use Opera, which has some nice features built in. Firefox has great addons for cookie and history control like "close n forget" and "erase cookie", but when I want to login simultaneously to a site with 2 different accounts eg facebook, then a second browser comes handy. I use this even for dottech because when I wanted to donate I had different (again security…) email for paypal, so the 2nd browser is convenient as I dont need to reenter or remember the different accounts.

And now the tip:

Here in my country, 3 of the 5 local online banking systems that I use, need exclusively IE to work. So I always have a "clean" IE just and only for these sites. Someone else could use it also for other sites with financial data like paypal, neteller, moneybookers, ebay, etc. It is very important to have such a "clean" IE without every day surfing dangers or addons, even for experienced users with many parallel clean and protection tools.

As I remember lately, even firefox had some issues with "infected" addons and for anyone who use it as the main browser and tests various addons, this can become a security hole at anytime in a future addon update.

Hoping to inspire others to adopt similar strategy…based on experience and firefox magic :-)

April 29, 2010
5:43 PM
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I've thought about uninstalling IE in Win7 but haven't gotten around to it. I think Microsoft was forced to allow users to uninstall it because of some of the lawsuits in Europe.

April 29, 2010
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Plus, it's actually usable now.

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April 30, 2010
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jumbi said:

- A practical suggestion for usage of browsers, as I prefer it:

…..but when I want to login simultaneously to a site with 2 different accounts eg facebook, then a second browser comes handy. 

…..I always have a "clean" IE just and only for these sites. Someone else could use it also for other sites with financial data like paypal, neteller, moneybookers, ebay, etc. It is very important to have such a "clean" IE without every day surfing dangers or addons, even for experienced users with many parallel clean and protection tools.

As I remember lately, even firefox had some issues with "infected" addons and for anyone who use it as the main browser and tests various addons, this can become a security hole at anytime in a future addon update.

Hoping to inspire others to adopt similar strategy…based on experience and firefox magic :-)

Excellent points! I see your logic….

I do have multiple financial accounts at some institutions and have wanted to be logged on under 2 IDs at the same time. I had never thought of this solution. Thanks.

As to your "Clean IE" idea, I run Online-Armor++ which has a "Banking Mode" described as follows:

"Banking Mode

Banking mode is designed to secure your online banking. When you enable Banking mode, Online Armor will only allow your computer to connect to Trusted or Protected websites. This ensures that you (or your computer) cannot be tricked into visiting a fraudulent website designed to steal your login information, and that your computer cannot send information to any other sites.

Instead of exclusively maintaining a list of “bad” websites,  Online Armor uses the Trusted list and any websites you define in the Web Sites section of Online Armor. Any  connections to sites that are not on these lists will be automatically blocked while in Banking mode."

I haven't implemented this feature yet. It seems it would be a good solution for secure websites that do work in Firefox. Or in combination with a "Clean IE" might provide even more protection.

Thanks for your feedback.

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May 16, 2010
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There are many programs and websites that will use only IE as the preferred browser – and without IE, these sites and programs will display a bunch of error messages instead – so to uninstall IE may be problematic for these reasons.

May 16, 2010
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 And as far as programs, many of them are coded to use IE for browser. I was wondering also a while back if it would be possible to bypass that function, haven't found a solution yet.

 

But still looking Wink

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