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February 22, 2010
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I guess analogically Fiber is to Surfing what DTH is to a cable operator. Except of course that DTH only handles TV programs whereas Fiber does both things – TV + Internet

Fiber perhaps is a sister of DTH in conceptual terms in that you enjoy your own bandwidth rather than being a part of the overall bandwidth allocated to the neighbourhood you live in.Right?

RameshSmile

February 22, 2010
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Ramesh Kumar said:

Karen, between FTP, SFTP, and SCP how would you compare the 3 different protocols in terms of:-


I can't really answer that question. The only thing I really know is that FTP is NOT secure while the other two are.

A lot of the "clients" can deal with any of those three protocols, you just have to know what the server expects and check the appropriate radio button. From there on, it is transparent to the end user. The only one I'm really familiar with is WinSCP because I use it for work to move code to and between production servers.

The only other thing I can think of is that I think you can use ftp:// just like http:// but I don't think you can do something similar with scp.

February 22, 2010
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Ramesh Kumar said:

Karen indeed you are quite admirable!  Smile

I am quoting you. Karen said "This is a really basic explanation. I'm not a networking/WAN expert". If this is what you deliver when "you are not an expert" I cannot admirably imagine what you would deliver if you are an expertSurprised

LOL

RameshSmile


Thanks !!!:smile:

February 22, 2010
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Ramesh Kumar said:

I guess analogically Fiber is to Surfing what DTH is to a cable operator. Except of course that DTH only handles TV programs whereas Fiber does both things – TV + Internet

Fiber perhaps is a sister of DTH in conceptual terms in that you enjoy your own bandwidth rather than being a part of the overall bandwidth allocated to the neighbourhood you live in.Right?

RameshSmile


I don't know what DTH is.

February 23, 2010
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Perhaps the terminology used there is different.Could be. In India this is what it refers to:-

DTH stands for Direct-To-Home television.
DTH is defined as the reception of satellite programmes with a personal dish in an individual home. And an individual Set Top Box empowering you to pick & choose you bundles of choice and pay for what you watch.
DTH versus cable TV

In DTH, TV channels will be transmitted from the satellite to a small dish antenna mounted on the window or rooftop of the subscriber's home. So the broadcaster directly connects to the user.
DTH can also reach the remotest of areas since it does away with the intermediate step of cable and wires (cables) that come to your house.

DTH offer digital superior quality picture against cable tv today which is mostly analog.
How is DTH (Direct to Home) service different from existing cable TV service?
DTH is an encrypted transmission that travels to the consumer directly through a satellite. DTH transmission is received directly by the consumer at his end through a small dish antenna. The encrypted transmission is decoded by an individual STB at your home.

DTH also offers digital quality signals which do not degrade the picture or sound quality. It also offers interactive channels and program guides with customers having the choice to block out programming which they consider undesirable.
Out here we find DTH better because cable tv means "sharing bandwidth with neighbours whereas one does not have to suffer a "sharing"  with DTH.
Karen this last bit was the analogy I was referring to
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February 23, 2010
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I had never heard of satellite TV referred to as DTH. Thanks for the explanation. I used to have satellite TV before switching to TV over fiber. The satellite TV (DirecTV and Dish Network are the big ones in the US) always worked well unless you don't have the correct line of site to the sky (like lots of big trees). We would occassionally lose the satellite signal during a really heavy rain storm. The only real reason that we are not using satellite TV now is that the bundled price of getting TV and internet access over fiber is cheaper than internet on fiber and TV from satellite.

February 23, 2010
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And the other thing is that in most of the US, we don't have analog cable anymore. Even over the existing coax cable, almost all cable is transmitted in digital now.

And all OTA (over the air) TV transmission is in digital as of early 2009.

February 23, 2010
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Hi Karen! Smile

Karen said "The only real reason that we are not using satellite TV now is that the bundled price of getting TV and internet access over fiber is cheaper than internet on fiber and TV from satellite"

I've heard it said (so correct me if I am wrong) that USA is one country (may even be the only one!) where hardware is cheaper than software. There have been instances where if you "buy" (I mean licence) software you could even get a certain configuration of hardware free. This is in contrast to most countries acroos the world where if you "buy" hardware you get some software bundled with it free!

Is it so?

RameshSmile

February 23, 2010
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I said that also because penetration levels of tv & computer is higher in some countries & comparatively lower in others.

So service providers can afford the marginal cost of providing it in some countries & not in others. The economics of it could run in those kinds of markets but not elsewhere.

Also barring states like Texas or regions like Grand Canyon etc perhaps population density is for the most part equally distributed in USA. India, Australia & maybe Mongolia are known to have vast tracts of land where population is very thin & even houses very far away from each other. That also affects the viability of technology wouldn't it?

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February 24, 2010
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There are actually large parts of the US with very low population density.  States along both coasts are the most heavily populated with most of the interior relatively low in density--but how that compare to pop density in other countries, I don't know.

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Ramesh Kumar said:

Hi Karen! Smile

Karen said "The only real reason that we are not using satellite TV now is that the bundled price of getting TV and internet access over fiber is cheaper than internet on fiber and TV from satellite"

I've heard it said (so correct me if I am wrong) that USA is one country (may even be the only one!) where hardware is cheaper than software. There have been instances where if you "buy" (I mean licence) software you could even get a certain configuration of hardware free. This is in contrast to most countries acroos the world where if you "buy" hardware you get some software bundled with it free!

Is it so?

RameshSmile


I think it really just depends.  The one area that I know the US is different from most other countries is that the cellular carriers often subsidize the cost of the phone provided you sign up for a 2 year contract.  So instead of paying $599 for an iPhone, you pay $199.  But then you are locked into a contract with AT&T (the only US iPhone provider) for 2 years (so they can make up the subsidized price) unless you want to pay a hefty early termination fee.  This is true of almost all cell phones in the US and is one reason that it is not easy to switch networks and you cannot just swap out your SIM card to move to a different carrier.

February 24, 2010
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Thanks Karen for clarifying both issues

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February 24, 2010
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Karen, Smile one incidental useful learning emerged from your last 2 posts.

The security aspect vis a vis cell phones would be technically superior because of the  3 things you mentioned – "lockin arrangement", "partial hardware subsidization" & "high foreclosure costs". Its a combo which is very good for the country too! Smile

As a patriot of my country (just as you are for yours) I'll recommend this thought to our government in some newspaper.

Teledensity is improving vastly in India & telephone growth rates in India is said to be amongst the top 3 or 5 in the world now. Besides mobile phones have overtaken landphones in terms of numbers. If "lockin" is provided with "hardware cost subsidization" & "high foreclosure cost" it is good for my country. For the cellphone operators it safeguards their market share & given high growth rates they can capitalize their "subsidy cost" either in the very first year or capitalize the expense across 2 years!

Drat I guess this is not thread relevant post; but then your answers set me thinking & were inspiring too! Thanks!

LOL

RameshSmile

February 24, 2010
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Well, I'm sure that AT&T likes being the sole provider of the iPhone in the US, but it is quite annoying that I cannot swap out the SIM card and change networks without "jail-breaking" my phone (which voids the warranty).

February 24, 2010
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You might want to start a thread :D

Also, only certain phones work outside the US-so called "World Phones".  My Samsung Impression is one of them :D

Oh, the site that was :(
February 25, 2010
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@Karen – Hi! This plot thickens, the gravy becomes more viscous & AT&T is definitely dipping into the gravy train as the sole provider of iPhone in the USA. In fact there are 3 different angles to this one of which is tragic. It also defies commercial business sense (Apple & AT&T). I say this Karen even while empathising with you as a friend & simultaneously trying to think through this clinically.

The tragic angle is user aka you who cannot upgrade her sim to upgrade to a more advanced iPhone model. The gravy train dippers are obviously AT&T sole the service provider & Apple the iPod owner. Obviously they have walled an exit barrier in front of you because of:-

  1. high foreclosure cost
  2. low or no hardware subsidy if you choose to upgrade to a more modern iPod model
  3. a "sim card" which is not iPod "model independent" aka it fits only into your specific model – a "closed architecture thing".

Phew!

At the back of my mind I always knew that thuggery never totally disappeared even though times changed from medieaval to modern. What surprises me is that never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that the suitable example to prove my point, would of all things – be in the realm of cell phones.

Apart from feeling bad for you as a very dear friend I also feel that iPhone is not behaving in a commercially street smart manner. Here's why:-

1) Karen I intuit you are an "early adopter" rather than "late laggard" at least in relation to technology

2) I intuit (without invading privacy on internet or getting curious – since curiosity kills cats & I never aspired to become a cat anyway) that "early adopters" of new technology are -

  • economically of upper strata since new technology like "hard cover" editions in books are always "high priced"
  • aspire to being "feature rich" or at least "feature up-to-date"

I think both AT&T & Apple are being short sighted in "irritating your franchise". They may save some cost in the short term but could lose a customer (& mkt share) in the long term.

Apple could actually consider subventing a portion of cost so that it is viable for you to upgrade to a higher iPod version without having to void your guarantee by way of a "jailbreak".  Fear of voiding guarantee via "jailbreak" also tells me that iPod is not the cat's whiskers in terms of "quality" due to which the cost of a second hand iPod (your existing model) is not very high. Actually Karen you might not even have to wait for your "usage period with AT&T to expire". Windows Mobile is already hovering nearby anyway.

Oops, I was about to say since Windows is hovering nearby Apple would accomodate by either helping you directly or by raising stick on AT&T. It came as a surprise to me that Microsoft is not very many times bigger than Apple. Microsoft is $58.437 billion in sales (2009) while Apple is already $42.91  in (2009) – despite being one year younger & several times smaller in terms of market share in computers!

That's tough luck. I feel bad KarenFrown

Your best bet is AT&T. While 7 years younger than Apple it is 2.75 times bigger than Apple – sales in 2008 $ 119.3 billion. That makes AT&T even bigger than Microsoft.

AT&T couldn't get big if they did not service well. I intuit At&T would get at least a dealership (if not sole dealership) for Windows Mobile as well & get you to switch from iPod to Windows Mobile – failing which they'd (AT&T) at least soften terms so that you could upgrade from your current iPod model to the latest one

I hope for the very very best for you Karen

RameshFrown

February 25, 2010
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@Locutus

Samsung World Phone. That's very very smart move chief. I guess if any mobile phone company tried to act oversmart with you – he can't – because you'd always have the option to hop onto another brand! Wow! Wow! Wow!

RameshSurprisedLaughLaugh

February 25, 2010
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I absolutely love my iPhone!!! Even though I have to use AT&T.  And I don't live in one of those areas that have had lots of trouble with AT&T service, so I can't really complain.Smile

But sometimes I like to complain anyway.  Smile

And, if you don't live in the US, iPhones are "world phones".  For example, if you buy one in Europe, you can switch SIM cards out all you want to takes advantage of different rates with different carriers.

In the US, though, AT&T is the only one that supports the "correct" flavor of GSM.  The two other big carriers (Spring and Verizon) both use CDMA.  T-Mobile uses GSM but apparently it is not compatible with the iPhone.

So even though my phone is no longer under warranty, so I could jailbreak it, as long as I'm in the US, it doesn't really do me any good.  I do have some friends that travel alot and bought and iPhone in the US and they did jail-break their phones so that when they traveled they could just get local SIM cards and not pay ridiculous roaming rates.

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Locutus said:

You might want to start a thread :D


I've got to agree with Locutus. This thread has morphed into a conversation that has nothing to do with FTP programs.

People that have good, quality info or opinions about cell phones won't have any idea that you're talking about them now unless they stumble upon it when they're looking for FTP info.

Don't get me wrong, it's a kick seeing a thread I started so long ago keep going, but really, you could be missing out on some good stuff other people could add. If they knew that you were talking about cell phones.

Just my opinion, do it or not it's up to you. Personally I quit checking this thread back when it wandered off track and started talking about different types of tv signals.

Have a good one.  :-)

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Maybe Ashraf could move the unrelated posts into the Talk It Up forum???

I'm not sure how to move them myself.  I'm not sure how this morphed so far off the topic FTP topic even though I'm at least partially the culprit. Laugh

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