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February 19, 2010
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Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish but most decent antvirus softwares will check your e-mail and put the unwanted into the junk email folder.

I use free AVAST and it does a good job, those that slip thru, I just put them in the blocked senders list.

I also use mailinator to signup for stuff, otherwise I’ve been bombarded with junk mail.

Good Luck to You!

Vidimo Se!

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February 19, 2010
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This point about whether or not spam emails should be bounced back or not is quite intriguing! WinkThat and one more thing – is there a freeware antispammer app as good as Mailwasher Pro payware. So there are actually 2 intriguing issues! Wink

One person had written to justify why “bouncing” is bad. Just sharing his argument/reasons with you:-Smile

This guy says neither send a “bounce email” nor a “challenge mail – for a couple of reasons:-

  • the “bounce” you send will either go to an innocent 3rd party with a perfectly valid email address. That by the way is spam too or Frown
  • the “bounce” you send will go to a non-existent email id – what is known as a “bit bin in the sky”. That by the way is spam too Frown
  • the same above 2 points hold for “challenge emails” too Frown

It is a legal irony that even when you bounce back an email to a spammer even your action is interpreted to be a spam. Man when will this irony ever end (it seems to be tarring even good guys with with the same brush it tars bad guys with!). Apart from “legal irony” a “bounce” also confirms to a spammer that you exist! Another irony. Certainly this subject suffers no shortage of ironies!Yell

BTW there is a subtle difference between a “bounce email” & a “challenge email”. The latter is a method which enables a spam receiver (aka the “good guy”) received the spam from a sender who is “human” or from a “machine”. 

A spam filter app finds this out for you by asking a question – “write down what you see written in this image kind of thing”. Analogically it is like the “Math Required” inside our forum. Unless I click this 3+6=9 I cannot even post this to you. A challenge email operates on the same principle except it refers to an image instead of referring to “maths”

RameshSmile

February 19, 2010
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February 19, 2010
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Ramesh Kumar said:

This point about whether or not spam emails should be bounced back or not is quite intriguing! WinkThat and one more thing – is there a freeware antispammer app as good as Mailwasher Pro payware. So there are actually 2 intriguing issues! Wink

If you google trialpay you can get some good bargains including Mailwasher Pro,I didLaugh Or go to Mailwashers site think there is a link there

One person had written to justify why “bouncing” is bad. Just sharing his argument/reasons with you:-Smile

This guy says neither send a “bounce email” nor a “challenge mail – for a couple of reasons:-

  • the “bounce” you send will either go to an innocent 3rd party with a perfectly valid email address. That by the way is spam too or Frown
  • Then it alerts that user there is problems with their computer/email account i.e. they got hacked and need new protection.
  • the “bounce” you send will go to a non-existent email id – what is known as a “bit bin in the sky”. That by the way is spam too Frown
  • the same above 2 points hold for “challenge emails” too Frown

It is a legal irony that even when you bounce back an email to a spammer even your action is interpreted to be a spam. Man when will this irony ever end (it seems to be tarring even good guys with with the same brush it tars bad guys with!). Apart from “legal irony” a “bounce” also confirms to a spammer that you exist!

The idea of bouncing is to make it appear your email does not exist/no longer exists so it should not confirm anything

Another irony. Certainly this subject suffers no shortage of ironies!Yell

BTW there is a subtle difference between a “bounce email” & a “challenge email”. The latter is a method which enables a spam receiver (aka the “good guy”) received the spam from a sender who is “human” or from a “machine”. 

A spam filter app finds this out for you by asking a question – “write down what you see written in this image kind of thing”. Analogically it is like the “Math Required” inside our forum. Unless I click this 3+6=9 I cannot even post this to you. A challenge email operates on the same principle except it refers to an image instead of referring to “maths”

RameshSmile


Thank you for your comments Ramesh and allowing me to try and clarify my position in this interesting discussion

February 19, 2010
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How is it spam if the email goes to a non-existent email? Come to think of it, what happens to it? Does it just disappear? Is it doomed to wander forever in the E(mail)SP’s servers?

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February 19, 2010
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sorry about that double post folks ….. do not know how it happenedConfused

February 20, 2010
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Bullesye! Pwnana Bullseye!  Smile- your point about how an email going to a non-existent id can be called a spam? Crazy as it sounds there are 2 reasons why this farce is being allowed to play out in the world of spam:-Wink

1) Its the law. Yea now we both know why sometimes people say – “The Law is an Ass”. I am certainly not being rude & immediately apologize to any self-respecting Ass who felt insulted by my remark. Sorry Wink

2) Spams also clog domain servers carrying emails. That materially hurts the profitability of the owner of that domain server. Maybe when the unfortunate owner budgets the cost of upgrading to a larger server he has to put by some capacity for spam emails too – especially for IMAP domain servers! Surprised This ironical act is because his IMAP users (and even some POP users) need to read that mail or at least see the header before deciding whether it is a spam email & not a good email Wink

On a serious note – a brief digression. Email represents 80% of all internet communications & is so predominated by POP protocol that IMAP has turned out to be a very “small mkt share protocol” in the email world. Google offers both POP & IMAP & here again IMAP market share is very small. On IMAP every single email remains stored on Google”s IMAP domain server (every email of yours remains stored even after you've downloaded it. Btw GMail says Ouch even as I write this!Wink. This is a consumer benefit so that your data aka email is eternally “sync”-ed between all your computing devices. POP cannot deliver that benefit because POP protocol is not meant to. When Google found this boulder too heavy to bear it actually tried to pass on the entire cost burden to the ISP! While the plot did thicken the ISP being smart backed out of it. The plot unthickened once again. Spam is indeed a devil with more than one face. Besides there is no such thing as an “unsmart ISP”.Wink

3)Notice the irony.The user decides if the email is spam or not but the one who owns the domain server is the one who pays for it anywayWink

Therefore the farce continues to play out in the auditoriums of the imperfect world we live in Wink

Ramesh

February 20, 2010
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Hi Black Raven! Smile The second issue you raised – Is there a freeware antispam app to replace MailWasher Pro (payware)? I can only share the what & why of the app I use.

MailWasher Pro is the global market leader as far as antispam apps are concerned. It also has an awesome reputation i.e. “it is so good that others don't even come close to it”. I wouldn't know that & cannot comment because I haven't used MailWasher Pro.

I read cnet, mulled, chose only 1 app, am happy with it – Cactus Spam Filter for the following reasons:-

1) It covers “every single POP domain – gmail, yahoo – you name it; this guy covers it

2) It doesn't cover a single IMAP domain! That is not a dealbreaker for me. I don't use IMAP because my set of needs does not require IMAP. POP satisfies my needs. For “IMAP”-ers however this could be not only a YMMV thing but even a dealbreaker

3) Cactus Spam Filter covers a large enough number of email clients to suit my need. This issue is definitely a YMMV thing

3)Cactus Spam Filter while it is not the “fastest learner” is “fast enough” for me. This is a YMMV thing. That said, please do not break its heart by telling it to its face that it is not a “cheetah”.* “Learning Speed” dear reader is not the fault of the app; it could well be your fault – Even Entirely”*. For example if you only have Outlook Express (email client) & you've only connected one domain (e.g. Gmail) to that email client (e.g. Outlook Express) you'll only get clean emails but no spam. Not because of Cactus Spam Filter but because Gmail's own spam filter is streets ahead or at least “leaps & bounds” ahead of other email domains like yahoo etc. This animal called antispamware “learns” only if it is fed good emails & bad emails (aka spam) in equal proportion. Feed it only good animals & it will be on an eternal learning curve & let every email into your inbox – enough to irritate you. Feed it only spams & it will growl at every email – aka false positive – again enough to irritate you. Therefore give it a balanced diet & it will purr with pleasure & mayble even sidle up to you as well.Wink

That said Cactus Spam Filter has 2 features which I never use for reasons mentioned in the earlier posts:-

  • Bounce email facility
  • Challenge email facility

The way I see it – Why should I poke my eyes with a diamond pin just because someone gave me a diamond pin free. IMHO

Ramesh 

February 20, 2010
1:38 AM
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An Apr 2009 report (I am unsure, I think it was from Microsoft) stated that 97% of all emails are spam. I continue to feel that 97% is a huge huge overestimation.

Assuming (just briefly & hypothetically) that 97% is actually correct it means that owners of email domain servers are investing 30 times higher in domain server capacity than what they otherwise would. What can I say – other than may their tribe rest in peace (rather than pieces!).  I meant the owners of domain servers that is!

RameshSmile

February 20, 2010
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I'm afraid I did not raise that issue my friend… you did! My answer to it was placed immediately below your issue

Ramesh Kumar said:

This point about whether or not spam emails should be bounced back or not is quite intriguing! WinkThat and one more thing – is there a freeware antispammer app as good as Mailwasher Pro payware. So there are actually 2 intriguing issues! Wink

My reply was

If you google trialpay you can get some good bargains including Mailwasher Pro,I didLaugh Or go to Mailwashers site think there is a link there

February 20, 2010
1:55 AM
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Thanks black raven!  SmileI'll look up the leads pointed out by you

RameshSmile

February 20, 2010
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Hi black raven! Smile

Sorry I did not understand your reply. It's because it only said ConfusedLaughWink@Amnesia on my comp. Did part of your reply get cut out btw?

RameshConfused Smile

February 20, 2010
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Ramesh Kumar said:

This point about whether or not spam emails should be bounced back or not is quite intriguing! WinkThat and one more thing – is there a freeware antispammer app as good as Mailwasher Pro payware. So there are actually 2 intriguing issues! Wink

One person had written to justify why “bouncing” is bad. Just sharing his argument/reasons with you:-Smile

This guy says neither send a “bounce email” nor a “challenge mail – for a couple of reasons:-

  • the “bounce” you send will either go to an innocent 3rd party with a perfectly valid email address. That by the way is spam too or Frown
  • the “bounce” you send will go to a non-existent email id – what is known as a “bit bin in the sky”. That by the way is spam too Frown
  • the same above 2 points hold for “challenge emails” too Frown

It is a legal irony that even when you bounce back an email to a spammer even your action is interpreted to be a spam. Man when will this irony ever end (it seems to be tarring even good guys with with the same brush it tars bad guys with!). Apart from “legal irony” a “bounce” also confirms to a spammer that you exist!

Another irony. Certainly this subject suffers no shortage of ironies!Yell

BTW there is a subtle difference between a “bounce email” & a “challenge email”. The latter is a method which enables a spam receiver (aka the “good guy”) received the spam from a sender who is “human” or from a “machine”. 

A spam filter app finds this out for you by asking a question – “write down what you see written in this image kind of thing”. Analogically it is like the “Math Required” inside our forum. Unless I click this 3+6=9 I cannot even post this to you. A challenge email operates on the same principle except it refers to an image instead of referring to “maths”

RameshSmile



If you google trialpay you can get some good bargains including Mailwasher Pro,I didLaugh Or go to Mailwashers site think there is a link there

Then it alerts that user there is problems with their computer/email account i.e. they got hacked and need new protection.

The idea of bouncing is to make it appear your email does not exist/no longer exists so it should not confirm anything

Thank you for your comments Ramesh and allowing me to try and clarify my position in this interesting discussion

This is what I should have sent and what you should have seen Ramesh

February 20, 2010
4:07 AM
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black raven! Thanks a ton friend

RameshSmile

February 20, 2010
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you are very welcome LaughLaughLaugh

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