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Virtualization or Virtualisation??
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April 1, 2010
1:01 PM
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ebony said:

Harlan said:

Another virtualization possibility is Microsoft’s Steady State. It guarantees that you can return your system to a saved version, with all changes deleted. It’s not as flexible as Returnil (paid version), but it is a Microsoft freeware product. Sandboxie is excellent, but it is not a complete system virtualization.

 
Hi Harlan, Smile

Thanks for responding. I read up on Microsoft’s Steady State and I think I would like to try it.

Would I be over doing it if I have this and sandboxie? I am trying to be as safe as possible.

My XP OS computer got “hijacked” some kind of way and now I am on a Vista OS and I guess you might say, I am overly precautious.

Ebony

 


 

IMHO, you need and can make effective use of only one of these at a time. Otherwise, you are attempting to virtualize a virtualized machine. There wouldn’t be any benefit, and your system will run slower and be less stable as the programs fight over who is going to protect you from what. It’s like running multiple real-time antivirus programs at the same time.Cool

April 1, 2010
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Harlan said:

Another virtualization possibility is Microsoft’s Steady State. It guarantees that you can return your system to a saved version, with all changes deleted. 

Steady State does not work on 64 bit OS.Cry

I will keep looking, there has to be a something for 64 bit OS that is not “hard core” complicated, and buggy. Sandboxie made my screen “giggle”.Cry

 


 
April 1, 2010
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Returnil works on 64-bit does it not?

April 1, 2010
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Ashraf said:

Returnil works on 64-bit does it not?


 

I DL returnil

installed it, during install it said updating AV database.

 

Since I am running AVAST, which one is boss, can they exist together, or should I exit AVAST?Confused

I have not rebooted yet for changes to take place with returnil.

April 1, 2010
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Thats really odd.  I’m running 7 64bit and I don’t get any screen giggling…

 

Returnil and Avast can coexist.  Returnil does not actually have any kind of real time scanning protection, so it doesn’t conflict with AVAST.

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April 2, 2010
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I tried sandboxie again and it did the same giggling thing so I decided to unintall.

 

Now on to Returnil ….

 

will let you know the outcome.

 

Ebony Confused but Cool

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April 2, 2010
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Ashraf said:

Returnil works on 64-bit does it not?


 

Morning Ashraf, Smile

I have DL returnil, it does have a real time virus protection, but
with the option to turn it off.

I have Returnil set to off for now
until I find out more about when to launch it. Should I set it to on and leave it on or just turn it on when I am surfing or some one is using the computer?

Ebony Confused and trying to get better.

April 2, 2010
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Opps I forgot to answer the question Embarassed

 

Returnil works on 64-bit does it not? Yes it does.  But you knew that already. Wink

Thanks for the help.

 

Ebony

 

April 2, 2010
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After hours of frustration and attempts to configure Returnil, I had to wonder why so many people thoughts so highly of this software.

I could not figure out how to turn it off. Sooooo I spent more endless time reasearching that issue. That issue is not addressed in the documentation. I find that lacking on the part of the developers. I wasted a lot of time.

AND THEN, I came here and found this little nugget.

 

“PMnet Verdict: Returnil is an excellent program no doubt about it. But the fact that you have to restart Windows everytime you want to toggle System Protection On/Off really turns me off -“

Confused

YellI find it inconsiderate on the part of the developer to not include an option to turn off protection if you wanted to OR include in the documentation that there is no on/off option.YellSurprised

I apologize if I sound a bit harsh, but if I am going to be used as marketing tool, then at least remember I am a person whose time is valuable.

I had to log on just to type this, needless to say, I am more than peod.

Thanks for listening

YellEbonyYell

 

 

April 2, 2010
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Ebony,

I think you read a very old review of mine. Things have changed since then. Read the latest review at http://dottech.org/gotdreviews/11025.

April 2, 2010
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Pwnana said:

You could also try a sandbox program, which creates an isolated section of your HD and RAM so that you can test programs without any risk.  I recommend the free Sanboxie (which finally supports Windows 7!!! ^.^)

http://www.sandboxie.com/


I went to the website and this found this info. Just thought I would share.

 

Windows Vista 64

With Windows Vista x64, Microsoft has introduced mandatory code signing for drivers. Since Sandboxie relies on a driver component to ensure software isolation, it cannot be loaded into Windows Vista x64 without compromising the integrity of the system.

 

Ebony

April 2, 2010
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Ashraf said:

Ebony,

I think you read a very old review of mine. Things have changed since then. Read the latest review at http://dottech.org/gotdreviews/11025.


 

Hi Ashraf Smile

Thanks for referring me to the current Returnil review. It was helpful.

I also received a very kind email from Returnil RVS Support, which in part stated

“Though we are still researching a means for exiting virtualization
without a restart, we have not yet “cracked” this due to the way
Windows is designed and the fact that RVS is akin to a disk filter, rather than
a file filter. This means that the System Safe feature is monitoring attempted
changes to the real hard drive rather than what is happening within Windows at
the file system level.”

Your article and the support email was very informative. I hope it helps others. Or maybe I was the only one that did not know.

 

Ebony Cool

April 2, 2010
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That must be a baaad bug to have to be assigned to fix.  Surprised

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April 2, 2010
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ebony said:

I tried sandboxie again and it did the same giggling thing so I decided to unintall……..

 


Hmmmmmmm. I guess in this case, giggling is NOT funny!! LaughWink

Al

 

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April 3, 2010
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ebony said:

Pwnana said:

You could also try a sandbox program, which creates an isolated section of your HD and RAM so that you can test programs without any risk.  I recommend the free Sanboxie (which finally supports Windows 7!!! ^.^)

http://www.sandboxie.com/


I went to the website and this found this info. Just thought I would share.
 

 

Windows Vista 64

With Windows Vista x64, Microsoft has introduced mandatory code signing for drivers. Since Sandboxie relies on a driver component to ensure software isolation, it cannot be loaded into Windows Vista x64 without compromising the integrity of the system.

 

Ebony


I remember some people getting angry over Vista requiring driver signing a while ago.  This meant that people could not run home-developed software that required drivers without some sort of complex workaround.  This must be included…
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April 7, 2010
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Returnil Help

Why  is it even if I have exited Returnil, if I reboot for any reason,  not related to reviewing a program, it puts deleted emails back in my Inbox???

 

EbonyCool

April 8, 2010
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Lets try this again, for the 3rd time, it keeps tell me access denied

 

 

I finally gave up on Returnil and uninstalled it.
With my lack of comprehension of how to turn it off or make it stop working or whatever…, I kept losing my emails and other changes I had made with programs like Tidy Menu, it just got frustrating.

Also the program had two areas greyed out and I was not sure what that meant and the documentation was not much help.

I think SW should have clear and concise instructions/help to follow. I came here like 20 times reading the review trying figure how to make it work properly. Confused

I finally cried UNCLE and ……
Just rantingCry

Ebony Cool

April 8, 2010
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Your frustrations actually mean its working…  Its supposed to catch ANY changes made to ANYTHING and, unless specifically told not to, when you reset it returns the system to the way it was before (i.e. returning any deleted emails and changing programs’ settings files back.).

 

Surprisingly, I could NOT find any other sandbox programs like sandboxie…

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April 8, 2010
2:41 PM
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Pwnana said:

Your frustrations actually mean its working…  Its supposed to catch ANY changes made to ANYTHING and, unless specifically told not to, when you reset it returns the system to the way it was before (i.e. returning any deleted emails and changing programs’ settings files back.).

 

Surprisingly, I could NOT find any other sandbox programs like sandboxie…


 

There inlies my problem, I could not determine how to tell it what NOT to do. You know what I wanted it to leave alone. I promise I read the instructions.

I also could not find out why I has some features that had the buttons greyed out.

Now on to something new and different.

We need a “sigh” thingie and I was wondering, why does it still say       I am new around here     Laugh

Ebony Cool

April 8, 2010
4:31 PM
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ebony said:

Now on to something new and different.

We need a “sigh” thingie and I was wondering, why does it still say       I am new around here     Laugh

Ebony Cool


 Hey Ebony!

I had the same feelings not that long ago. But………………….

Guess what!!??!! Great things are in store for you!!!!!

When you hit the magic # of 50 posts, you will change from just being ‘new around here’ to………like a catepllar changes into a beautiful butterfly………to becoming…………drum roll please……………a dotTech ‘nerd.’

Now, how cool is that???? Cool

Look forward to your new nerd-ness!!

Your pal

Al

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