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April 13, 2010
11:13 PM
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I’ve been downloading software from Giveawayoftheday for about 5 months now. It’s probably not just coincidental that my computer is running slower and I have more freezes that require Control-Alt-Delete to release. I have about 80% of my hard drive (c) full so I bought an external hard drive with 500 GB capacity. My question is, can I download the software programs to the external (E) drive, or drag and drop them there after I download them without causing any problems. I expect that the hard drive would always have to be connected to the computer because of Registry issues, but outside of that, would that free up space on the “C” drive?

      I also bought some extra RAM strips because I got frequent messages of “Low Virtual Memory”, and the task manager would often show 100% CPU Usage. I haven’t  installed the extra RAM yet, but I’m replacing 512 MB with 2GB (2000MB). I’m guessing that should help too, because I can’t bear to pass up all the FREE software (Even though many of the programs probably duplicate or even triplicate each other. It would probably be useful to many of us not-so-techy folks  if someone could make lists of programs that kind of do the same thing so we could weed out some of the duplication. But that suggestion is probably for a different forum.

     Can anyone tell me “when the computer is booting up, where is the information flowing to? Is it going from where it lives on the hard drive to temporary space in the RAM memory. That would help me understand better what’s going on.

 

This is my first posting, so Thanks for putting up with me!!!      Neillex 

April 13, 2010
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It seems you have a few problems!  But let’s talk about the main points:

You’d need to tell each application to install itself to the external drive.  Otherwise, the software won’t work.

You don’t need to keep the installers- in fact, you can probably clear your downloads folder without impacting any functionality.  Be sure not to delete such things as documents, though!

Adding the RAM will help the speed of the computer.

The “Low Virtual Memory” dialog is because the hard disk is very full.  Here’s a guide on that problem from PCMag:

I assume that you got a
little balloon in the bottom right-hand corner announcing that your
virtual memory is low and that Windows is adjusting it. If this happens
just once, don’t worry—as the message said, Windows found a problem and
fixed it. But if it happens repeatedly, it could be that your settings
don’t allow Windows to make the necessary adjustment. First, make sure
your drive isn’t overly full. In Windows Explorer, right-click the drive
icon and choose Properties. If the amount of free space is under about
10 percent, you’ll need to free up some space. You can use the Disk
Cleanup button right next to the free space indicator, or manually move
some files to off-line storage, or uninstall unnecessary
applications—whatever it takes to get more free space.

If low drive space isn’t the problem, the virtual-memory settings may
be wrong. Right-click My Computer and choose Properties. Click the
Advanced tab. Click the Settings button in the Performance panel. Click
the Advanced tab in the Performance dialog. Click the Change button in
the Virtual memory panel. Whew! This setting is buried quite thoroughly!
Look for the System managed size option, select it if it isn’t already
selected, and then click OK, OK, OK. That should end the warnings.

And second-to-lastly, here’s a guide I wrote a while ago on HDD space:

http://dottech.org/tipsntricks/8841

And very lastly, I’m not sure exactly how virtual RAM works, but yes more physical stuff should help.  Have fun!Wink

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April 14, 2010
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Since there are many topics involved here, I wanted to focus on one that I was thinking of starting a topic thread on: “You don’t need to keep the installers…”

I often see suggestions at various forums on SAVING downloads to a folder 1st (easiest to use desktop, or as you suggested here, using the external drive) rather than RUN 1st, to minimze problems, & it gives one a chance to scan it by an A/V program of choice.

Also, sometimes an installation can hang, freeze, become incompatible with other software, or a KEY may not work right the 1st time, etc., & rather than have to re-download the entire file again, one can just (usually) re-start the installation from the saved file.

So, I wanted to ask if I could delete the “Activation Assistant for the 2007 Microsoft Office suites,” once MS Office has been installed & running correctly? At 12 MBs, it’s a sizeable deadweight if not needed. Therefore, I’ll wait for some informed advice.

Thanks

Al

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April 15, 2010
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Yes you can safely move your downloaded installers to the other drive without any problems. If you install the programs on the separate drive then unplug the drive, then links (start menu shortcuts etc) to the program will not work for obvious reasons and if you run a registry cleaner, it may pick up invalid registry entries with regards to programs installed on the separate drive, otherwise it’s still safe to install the programs on the separate drive, just take extra precautions when using registry cleaners. I would hold off from installing programs that install drivers on the separate drive though just to be on the side of caution.

 

On my machine with 3 gigs of ram, I still get the “Low virtual memory” message when I set the pagefile size to a minimum of 512mb when playing games, badly coded ones I guess. It happens when I try and multitask with the game window minimized, perhaps due to bad coding, instead of actually using RAM it swaps to the pagefile thus causing the memory message and windows enlarging the pagefile to compensate. This maybe the case for you as well so why not try to set the size of the pagefile to a higher setting and see if the memory messages come up again. Setting pagefile size to a minimum of 1536mb resolves that problem for me, may vary for you. One thing you can do is try to minimize the number of programs that run concurrently on your machine. One way to do it on XP is via Start > Run > msconfig and unchecking non-essential Startup entries. You can check here for entries that are safe to disable depending on your needs:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/startups/

 

April 15, 2010
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Neil Berman said:

 It would probably be useful to many of us not-so-techy folks  if someone could make lists of programs that kind of do the same thing so we could weed out some of the duplication. 


 

I have been wondering about programs that perform the same functions.

At the end of Ashraf review, he will give a listing of possible alternative SW and sometimes do a comparison and contrast.

However as you said, it is hard sometimes to pass up the SW, especially if you are a SW junkie like me.

Tips and Tricks is a good source of info as well.

EbonyCool

 

April 15, 2010
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A better choice than to install the software on a separate drive, is to move all your data (whether video, music, photos, docs, downloaded installers, etc) to the external drive and leave your OS drive with the OS and all other programs.

April 15, 2010
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karen said: A better choice than to install the software on a separate drive, is to move all your data (whether video, music, photos, docs, downloaded installers, etc) to the external drive and leave your OS drive with the OS and all other programs.


 

Agreed. This is my preferred option.

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April 16, 2010
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o(o.o)o said:

Yes you can safely move your downloaded installers to the other drive without any problems. If you install the programs on the separate drive then unplug the drive, then links (start menu shortcuts etc) to the program will not work for obvious reasons and if you run a registry cleaner, it may pick up invalid registry entries with regards to programs installed on the separate drive, otherwise it’s still safe to install the programs on the separate drive, just take extra precautions when using registry cleaners. I would hold off from installing programs that install drivers on the separate drive though just to be on the side of caution.

 

On my machine with 3 gigs of ram, I still get the “Low virtual memory” message when I set the pagefile size to a minimum of 512mb when playing games, badly coded ones I guess. It happens when I try and multitask with the game window minimized, perhaps due to bad coding, instead of actually using RAM it swaps to the pagefile thus causing the memory message and windows enlarging the pagefile to compensate. This maybe the case for you as well so why not try to set the size of the pagefile to a higher setting and see if the memory messages come up again. Setting pagefile size to a minimum of 1536mb resolves that problem for me, may vary for you. One thing you can do is try to minimize the number of programs that run concurrently on your machine. One way to do it on XP is via Start > Run > msconfig and unchecking non-essential Startup entries. You can check here for entries that are safe to disable depending on your needs:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.co…../startups/

 


 

ebony said:

Neil Berman said:

 It would probably be useful to many of us not-so-techy folks  if someone could make lists of programs that kind of do the same thing so we could weed out some of the duplication. 


 
I have been wondering about programs that perform the same functions.

At the end of Ashraf review, he will give a listing of possible alternative SW and sometimes do a comparison and contrast.

However as you said, it is hard sometimes to pass up the SW, especially if you are a SW junkie like me.

Tips and Tricks is a good source of info as well.

EbonyCool

 


 Reply to o(o.o)o:

You suggest eliminating non-esential startup entries. How many startup entries are  too much? When I click on Task Manager (Alt>Ctrl>Delete), I typically see 35 processes running. Is that what you mean as too many startup entries. How many processes is too much (and is a process the same thing as a startup entry?

(Sorry to sound so dumb, but some of the nomenclature that the pros take for granted are a challenge for me.)

     Also KAREN says to keep OSs on the OS drive with OS and all other  programs. Can I take that to mean that you can split the downloads into data and OS files and just keep the OS portion on the “C” drive?

April 16, 2010
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Hi folks. To save everyone’s fingers from over-scrolling and RSI of their mouse fingers, can people not “quote and reply” entire long posts. There’s no need for it. That’s what the delete button on our comps is for. Just use what is relevant and cut the rest. Or alternatively, just write “@ such and such:” if it is more general reply. Thank you all on behalf of my overworked mouse finger.

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April 16, 2010
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Well 35 processes isn’t really a lot as long as your computer hardware can handle them. I assume that your computer has 512mb of RAM. At boot, an out-of-the-box XP system uses roughly 300mb of RAM already, so your programs are left with approximately 200mb RAM for their use. Windows operating system tries to supplement this via the pagefile so that processes and programs do not choke because of the lack of memory.

 

Since you are getting low virtual memory warnings, it is very likely that you have too many programs running consuming most of your computer’s memory thus windows tries to compensate by enlarging the pagefile. One way to resolve these warnings is by setting a higher pagefile size. You can change the size of the pagefile by following the guide posted on this article:

 

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826513

 

Another way is to not have too many processes running at the same time. Startup entries are programs that run on your computer at boot, some of them maybe non-essential for the operating system such as instant messengers, open office quickstarter, webcam processes and the like. By disabling non-essential ones from starting at logon, your computer will have a little more free memory for use later on plus the cpu doesn’t get choked as much as it did before making boot times a bit faster.

 

Or… you can go and add in that 2gig RAM you got there which will definitely make your computer snappier, assuming of course that your motherboard can handle it. Laugh

 

What I think Karen meant was to just install the programs on the drive where your OS is as opposed to installing it on your other hard disk. This ensures that registry entries are valid especially with GAOTD stuff. Other items like music, videos, documents, pictures and GAOTD installers that you can re-install anytime like the Paragon giveaways that you want to save, you can safely place them on the other hard disk.

 

Hopefully that clears it up somehow Laugh .

April 16, 2010
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o(o.o)o said:

What I think Karen meant was to just install the programs on the drive where your OS is as opposed to installing it on your other hard disk. This ensures that registry entries are valid especially with GAOTD stuff. Other items like music, videos, documents, pictures and GAOTD installers that you can re-install anytime like the Paragon giveaways that you want to save, you can safely place them on the other hard disk.


Yes, that is what I meant. One drive (usually C:) that contains your OS and all of your programs, and one (or more) drives for data (pictures, videos, music, installers, documents, etc).

I don’t remember how big XP is, my my Win7 x64 Pro install combined with over 100 programs on my C: drive only take up about 40GB. My data drive on the other hand is almost 500GB of files.

April 16, 2010
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Unfortunatelly that split the workload plan won’t work so good for those of us with laptops.

I end up using the external hard drive as backup for files and disc images, and am thankful that I finally was able to get a new laptop with lots of memory. I’ve got more programs on it than I ever had on my old XP machine and haven’t even come close to using even a quarter of the memory.

I love new toys!  Smile

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@Wheezer:  Are you running Windows 7?  By the look of that totally unrelated link I’d say you are.  Good choice!

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April 16, 2010
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@Locutus: Huh?

Yes, I am running Windows 7. But you lost me with the “totally unrelated link” line.

Altho, I’m not wide awake right now and it’s been a couple long days. So you could be talking about something obvious, I’m just not catching it.

Or did I mess up the link I sent you in the PM?

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Oh wait, “unrelated” as in not related to this thread or site? In which case I didn’t mess up.

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April 16, 2010
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This site.  You sent it to me.

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April 16, 2010
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DotTech? Really?

Well you know how good I am at linking. It shouldn’t be a hard thing to do, but when you’re in the Old Fart’s Club it’s not easy anymore.

I’ll send you another PM with the site address and won’t try creating a link this time. Maybe that way it’ll work right. Confused

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By “this site” I meant “not related to” this site. Surprised

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@Locutus: Dude, yer makin my brain hurt… I bet you’re good at “who done it” type games?

Either that or I’m way off track and have fallen into a deeeeeeep hole of stupidity.

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April 17, 2010
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Wheezer said:

Unfortunatelly that split the workload plan won’t work so good for those of us with laptops.


It works just fine if you have two hard drives in your laptop (most have space for an extra unless it’s a net book) or if you just partition the main drive.

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