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IE 9 - The good, the bad, and the brutal
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March 18, 2010
7:11 AM
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Well, the IE 9 preview is out and with it a lot of mixed feelings.  Let’s see if I can sum it up:

The good:

It has an extremely fast hardware accelerated browsing experience, and is faster at loading both html, flash, and java than any other browser.

 

The bad:

Only the preview is out right now, and it lacks a URL bar, back/forward buttons, and basically all the other basic controls.  You have to open a small dialog box and type or copy/paste in the URL to go to the website.

 

The BRUTAL:

It won’t run on XP.  Not at all.  This is a pretty stupid case of Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot.  According to Ashraf’s poll, XP is the most common OS among dottechies, at 46%.  So, yeah, I’m pretty disappointed/annoyed.

 

*Take a hint Microsoft!  Not everyone switches OS’s on your say-so!

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March 18, 2010
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Yikes!…………………Surprised  about the Xp bit

Ramesh

March 18, 2010
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Just recovered my breath. IE8 is said to show problems with Xp. IE9 won’t even get married to it. They say marriages are made in heaven, but then these guys are from elsewhere! Seriously not only dottech survey but even otherwise Xp is the largest OS. Yell

Ramesh

March 18, 2010
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Well, by the time IE9 is released, XP will be around 10 years old.  An era in computer time.  I don’t blame them.  Continuing to support really old software is tough.

I say this as someone who has to write code that works on IE6 – IE8 and FF at work. 

And who at home has everything from Win2000 to Win7.  But I don’t expect them to help me if something goes wrong on the Win2000 machine (and it won’t run IE8 so this isn’t the first time that Microsoft has created a new browser that is not supported on an old OS).

March 18, 2010
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But- but- but- then how am I supposed to get IE6 to work on my Windows 3.1 machine?

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March 18, 2010
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@karen

In normal circumstances I would agree with you, but XP is a bit different.  No one has continued to use Windows 2000 in the way that XP has stuck around.  If they had said they were not going to support Win2000 that would be one thing, but tons of people still use XP.  If Microsoft has any intention of swinging the browser wars back in their favour they should somehow make it work with XP, whether with an OS update, or in the browser itself.

I know it may seem as if I am making a huge deal out of this, but if the browser is so astronomically faster than even Google Chrome, then I think it’s worth the fuss.

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March 19, 2010
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I see your point.  Maybe Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot by not supporting XP on IE9.  But at the same time, I’m sure they’d like to greatly reduce their installed base of XP.  And maybe in the year or so until IE9 is released, a lot of people will have upgraded.

March 19, 2010
10:29 PM
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IE 9 won’t work in WinXP?

dot dot dot.

March 19, 2010
11:20 PM
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Well, yeah.  Microsoft did a feature freeze for XP in like 2008.  That means no new features. A nonsucky browser=a feature!

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March 20, 2010
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@Locutus

Lol, yeah.  Most people probably won’t care, but at the (alleged – because it’s only a lite preview right now) speed of this browser they should.   At least they are still offering security updates for it, but I think that ends soon too.

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March 20, 2010
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No security updates would suck.  But at a certain point, it probably gets more expensive for Microsoft to maintain XP than to lose a certain number of customers.

I don’t know what their employee turnover rate is, but how many Microsoft engineers are XP experts at this time?  Since most of them probably helped develop Vista and Win7, it may be getting difficult to find people to fix XP.

I know from experience in development (not OS development though) that it is really hard to maintain a system that you are not intimately familair with especially if you want to do it well and not hack it up.

March 20, 2010
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Security ends in 2014.

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March 21, 2010
7:07 AM
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@Locutus

Oh really?  That’s no problem for me then, I’m getting a new machine in about 6 months.  They must have changed that date though; I’m pretty sure last time I checked it said 2011 or around there.  I might be wrong, though.

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March 21, 2010
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Hey all.

It seems to me that whatever IE9 is like when finally released, that little geeks like me will completely avoid any type of beta d/l & testing, especially because of the “as is” status. Too much risk, regardless of having backups & rescue disks, etc., & I could ill afford a new OS or ‘puter.’

Al

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March 21, 2010
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@ Karen

MS would be wise (for once???) to incorporate into IE9 the positive features of others like Firefox, Chrome, etc., & to avoid self-inflicted foot wounds. Limping around in public is just so embarrassing. Everyone can tell the source of the injury.

Your pal

Al

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March 21, 2010
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I’m guessing that MS is finally getting serious about the browser wars.  They had the field to themselves for such a long time (after Netscape went south and before FF became popular) that they had no incentive to innovate. 

I think they’ve seen the light and the new IE will be better than ever (and maybe better in at least some aspects than the other browsers).

March 21, 2010
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Remember which browser had private browsing first (besides tiny ones like Safari and before Chrome was big)?

Internet Explorer.

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March 21, 2010
7:10 PM
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With all the add-ons of FF & others, IE9 needs to take a good look at emulating them or incorporating them into the browser, & maybe add on-line scanners, video d/l & converters….. or whatever else.

Life is just a phase you're going through…you'll get over it.
March 21, 2010
7:14 PM
yourpalal
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BTW

On a lighter note:

I can’t believe that I had to stop for a second before posting to think of what was 9 + 12!!! Anyone else had a quick brain-freeze like that??

Life is just a phase you're going through…you'll get over it.
March 21, 2010
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The great thing about being an admin is not having to do those.

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