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February 8, 2010
7:27 AM
Ramesh Kumar
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Updating a giveaway without problems (WinUtilities 9.41 case study)

It is important being able to update a giveaway painlessly. Although I did it in WinUtilities from 9.38 to 9.41 I was unhappy because I did it more through inference rather than a standard operating procedure. There might be someone who could offer a better/standard approach. That would be useful to everyone.

Thanks to Ashraf for the app & to the blog family for sharing the variety of migration difficulties while going from 9.38 to 9.41.

I intuited correctly that it was better to use the apps own uninstaller rather than Revo (in this case) even though whenever this choice is exercised you remove fewer file settings & registry settings than Revo. Obviously there is no such thing as an all time standard formula. I also intuited correctly not to do any registry cleaning between 9.38 uninstall & 9.41 install. I followed Samuel’s advice of a restore point before 9.38 uninstall.

Like many of you I admire & am grateful to our webmaster Ashraf because he is a combo of sharp intellect & honesty. All webmasters are not like that. Therefore I like the rest of you loyalists had trepidation & a sense of affront as to whether it would register to GOTD rather than dotTech.

Learnings
1) I felt migrating a giveaway is useful to document. After 9.38 uninstall I entered regedit, did a “Find & Find Next” & took jpegs of all the residues & their folders & paths. This is to have a generic clue about such issues for the future.
2) Even though I used the apps own uninstall I was still shocked at how little was uninstalled from 9.38. I thought that this is not a good sign
3) I expected a GOTD registration rather than dotTech because:-
a. So little had got cleaned
b. Even the install process got started not by Windows Explorer or by WinUtilities but by IObit Security 360 – a bad sign. My Spyware Terminator 2.6.5.111 (great app!) pointed the name of this process sponsor. This was an important insight.
4) I was pleasantly surprised to get a dotTech registration – a happy/ethical ending.
5) Point 3b shows that some apps act in concert with giveaways & to be careful about this. Obviously in business not only companies & nations but webmasters compete too. Obviously an app & a website draft a business agreement which includes registry residues upon uninstall & a non-disclosure agreement as well.

There is a commitment & a conscience towards Ashraf & our blog family. We wanted to register the app to dotTech. It was like “when one gets pick pocketed you feel bad not because you lost money but because you felt cheated”. Any way this drama had a happy fairy tale ending.

Posting this in the Forum because other visitors might have figured out other ways to update giveaways painlessly.
Ramesh

February 9, 2010
2:08 AM
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There were other sad learnings albeit useful learnings after the initial happy ending of the WinUtilities 9.41 story.:frown:

After installing 9.41 successfully I naturally wanted to use it. These are my learnings:-
1)Once again Spyware Terminator 2.6.5.111 told me that the process was initiated by IObit Security 360. My concern is why should an antispyware launch an app?:yell: That job should only be carried out by the file manager of the OS i.e. Windows Explorer or else by the app itself i.e. by WinUtilities if it has a digital signature. The file manager is one way our OS looks after our safety. Oh for your reference I use Windows XP SP2 32bit non-.Net version.
2)If indeed a program other than Explorer or the app itself could launch an app than that devilry can happen even by Spyware Terminator 2.6.5.111. However Spyware Terminator 2.6.5.111 like the great app it is did not overstep into devilry but restricted itself to only doing its job.:lol:
3)My worry is that IObit Security 360 has tried to achieve a backdoor entry (that’s the technical jargon) into the file manager (Windows Explorer). I would have felt comfortable if it had responsibly restricted its role to being a find-outer but let the launcher be Windows Explorer.:frown:
4)It has not yet dropped any payload. A payload is a code which causes damage on your computer.
5)In the forum thread relating to registry cleaning deep scan Refpeuk had shared how he lost faith in IObit Security 360 after Malwarebytes Antimalware accused IObit Security 360 of intellectual property theft.
6)I had stayed with IObit Security 360 even after that incident but am now choosing to uninstall it. Incidentally in the last fortnight I noticed that IObit Security 360 also made several attempts to hook my keyboard. I prevented that successfully without suffering any loss of its functionality. By the way IObit Security 360 did not have this keyboard hooking tendency earlier. Why now? How now? Obviously its updates contain not only a database update but also an instruction to hook onto keyboard.:yell:
7)I’ll again monitor if after uninstallation of IObit Security 360 from my computer it continues to be the parent process of WinUtilities process whenever I start WinUtilities. That could mean that a kind of payload has been dropped (perhaps at kernel level) which remains even after reboot. I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.
8)I used Anvir Task Manager (got it from http://www.dottech.org thanks) to find out the name of the parent process when you launch WinUtilities. It showed that to be Launchy (a launcher using which you need not go to start menu to start an app but just use your keyboard). Launchy is safe & good by the way.:smile:
9)The point is Anvir Task Manager & Spyware Terminator 2.6.5.111 interpret what constitutes a “parent process” very differently. Anvir showed it as Launchy & Spyware Terminator as “IObit Security 360. That is no cause for sorrow, worry or confusion. Even if one app among a battery of good apps offers a pointer it is good to travel that road.
10)www.dottech.org has traveled 50% in giving our blog family a battery of good apps. Surely we can travel the remaining 50% by putting them to meaningful use.:lol:
11)I am neither surprised nor feel any need to moralize about devilry avoidance. Newspapers, bloggers & good webmasters e.g. Bill Mullins & of course our very own Ashraf do point out world events like the IObit Security 360 issue, Google gmail hack recently, 32 million passwords hack in Dec 2008 or a certain country hacking into government computers of my country (India)
12)Incidentally I continue to use WinUtilities 9.41 because it is a great app & has shown excellent performance & trustworthy behaviour as well. I repeat WinUtilities 9.41 Pro is a perfectly safe & excellent must-have app. It is no way blighted by anything. We must have WinUtilities 9.41 Pro.:lol:

Ramesh

February 10, 2010
5:38 AM
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Hi Ramesh,

And ? What is the result of your second monitor as mentioned at item 7 ?

I've also keep Iobit products, waiting for more informations about the incident.

BTW, it would have perhaps better been to make a new post with this subject…

Regards

JeanEmbarassed

February 11, 2010
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Hi Jeanjean,:smile:
I've uninstalled IObit Security 360 successfuly & I've shared the method.The method is important.:smile:

Following your kind & useful advice I did that in a new thread in the Forum.The thread is called – Careful – IObit Security 360 might be unsafe:smile:

For the immediate present I've not checked out if Advanced SysCare Pro is unsafe. The only two IObit products I have are these two

Ramesh:lol:

February 11, 2010
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Forgot to add. Removing IObit 360 did not affect any other app – "concert apps" & non-concert apps"

Ramesh:smile:

February 12, 2010
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@ Ramesh

I recently found a software which removes any trace after desinstallation of the Iobit products.
The name is “BitRemover” (102 KB – safe for Total Virus).

I'll remove the 2 products by measure of precaution.

There are enough others products who make the same job efficiently.

Happy lunar new year !Embarassed

February 14, 2010
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Jeanjean Happy Lunar Year. Sorry for the belated wishes
Ramesh:oops:

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