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An inane irritation
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April 4, 2010
9:29 AM
awisdom01
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Okay. This drives me crazy, but is it really a mistake?

As a native-born speaker of the Americanized version of the English
language I have to take exception to the current usage by Ashraf of the word “software”.
Yes, it is a noun, but rather than describing a specific instance, it instead refers
to a collection of objects, and should never be used in the singular. Software
is a convenient grouping of computer related applications, programs, operating
systems, applets, and so on, but itself is not one specific thing.

An example: “How many software (and/or web services) have
you purchased in the past year?” should be written as “How many software
(and/or web services) purchases have you made in the past year?”.

In the above example the first query refers to software in
the plural (i.e.: many softwares) while the second refers to purchases (plural)
of specific software (singular). This should also apply to the usage of the
word software in a sentence referring to the product in question as “a software”.
This is particularly grating because there is no such thing as “A software”. There
are things which comprise software, but software itself is not a specific,
singular item, and should never be used in that connotation.

Whenever I come across this usage it jumps right out of the
screen, and I have to make a mental correction before I continue reading. It is
irritating, but I can’t seem to stop myself. So is this just me, or am I being
too anal on the entire subject?

April 4, 2010
9:52 AM
phoenix_rising
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awisdom01 said:

So is this just me, or am I being too anal on the entire subject?


 

The latter.

“Peace if possible, truth at all costs.” – Martin Luther King Jr
April 4, 2010
10:39 AM
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phoenix_rising said:

 

The latter.


 

I'll just borrow this reply. My own would be so much longer and not nearly as polite.

The original post looks way too much like the forum has been visited by a troll.

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April 4, 2010
1:41 PM
Locutus
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Now that you've pointed it out I can't un-see it. AGH!

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April 4, 2010
1:59 PM
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I agree, latter it is. It's not worth getting all an*l about it, or trying to be the spelling/grammar police.

 

As for me, the only time I got upset about it was when I went to University (as a mature student.)  I handed in a well thought out and written term paper.  It had been marked by a TA (teaching assistant) and he gave me a D with the comment that he couldn't understand what I had written.  Needless to say I was upset, so went to see my Prof.

 

He took a look, laughed and then gave me an A+.  He said that todays students really don't understand proper use of english spelling or grammer, and don't really want to know.

 

 

 

 

 

April 4, 2010
2:44 PM
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@awisdom01: You are probably right – my grammar can be improved in many areas. However, at the same time, does it really matter (that much)? As long as the point is conveyed, I think we can better spend our time doing something more productive than splitting hairs.

April 4, 2010
6:09 PM
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DUDE!!!! CHILL Yell

Note the name of the site dotTech.

You posted at 9:24 am, must be a slow day.

Since it is only your 2nd post, it is obvious you have not taken the time to get to know what  the site is all about.

Allow me, it is a site to geared toward sharing
TECHNICAL info. This is NOT, and I repeat, NOT a GRAMMAR site.
 

And this name you are using, "a wisdom 01"          NOT SO MUCH

Ebony

 

 

April 4, 2010
11:28 PM
AlanR
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Mags said:

…todays students really don't understand proper use of english spelling or grammer, and don't really want to know.


 

Perhaps if ALL papers were marked DOWN and students FAILED as a result – THEN they might just get interested and improve, to the betterment of everyone. Yell

The internet is a great source of information to many around the globe, whose first language is not English (notice the capitalised first letter 'E'?), so a great deal of tolerance and understanding is needed.

That does not excuse the use of BAD (not foul) language through lazyness or ineptitude – there are on-line grammar checkers available to help. (Note the spelling a?)

Example : To insure, when ensure is meant.! (Probably arose through a pre-disposition towards litigation. Wink)

Equally, those same people are very desireous of improving their vocabulary and grammatically correct usage thereof.

It is therefore beholden upon all of us, especially native English speakers, to exercise greater care in our choice and use of words – and benefit from self improvement along the way.

Soooo…. Next time you've "gotten" something, (this being a truncation of the word 'forgotten') just try to remember where you left (or thought about) it. Laugh

SEEK (Google) and yea shall find. Ars Longa, Vita Brevis.
April 5, 2010
12:04 AM
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AlanR said:

Equally, those same people are very desireous of improving their vocabulary and grammatically correct usage thereof.

It is therefore beholden upon all of us, especially native English speakers, to exercise greater care in our choice and use of words – and benefit from self improvement along the way.

 


 

It always happens, doesn't it? Someone makes a long-winded point about grammar and spelling and then goes and makes a howler in their own post. Case in point: "desireous". 

Now what's that old adage about people in glass houses … ? Wink

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April 5, 2010
3:19 AM
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And the score at the end of the first quarter of the big game is:

Troll: 1

DotTechies: 0

See what I meant when I said the original post looked too much like it was left by a troll?

By leaving that post the troll has stirred people up and is getting quite an entertaining reaction (if you're into ticking people off that is).

I can only suggest that as much as these kinds of posts stir up strong feelings, we all just ignore them.

This is a good, respectable forum where people can ask questions and comment in their own way and however they're comfortable with. Spelling and grammer be dammed, as long as the writer's point comes across, that's all that's important. This isn't a test or a school.

Now if someone could just tell me where the "any" key is on my keyboard, I'd be a happy camper! Laugh

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April 5, 2010
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@ BrotherWolf: I second that motion.

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April 5, 2010
4:35 AM
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@ Ashraf: Moving from literal to numerical mistakes, when I tried to post earlier, the math question was "8+6". However, it kept telling me 14 was the wrong answer. Confused

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April 5, 2010
11:47 AM
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phoenix_rising said:

@ Ashraf: Moving from literal to numerical mistakes, when I tried to post earlier, the math question was "8+6". However, it kept telling me 14 was the wrong answer. Confused


 

Lololololol. Sounds like someone needs to work on their math skills. By "someone" I mean dotTech LaughLaughLaughLaugh.

April 5, 2010
12:24 PM
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phoenix_rising said:

 

It always happens, doesn't it? Someone makes a long-winded point about grammar and spelling and then goes and makes a howler in their own post. Case in point: "desireous". 

Now what's that old adage about people in glass houses … ? Wink


 

Guilty as charged. Embarassed
The typo had been noticed and was to have been corrected in the 11:38pm edit but, in haste, I forgot to drop the "e" – again. Blame it on myopic dislexia, O.K.?

"Long winded"? Hmmm. Perhaps I should have left it at the first paragraph as that was my initial reaction, but, once started, just had to let off some steam and get it off my chest – so to speak. More of a rant I suppose.

However, I do hope my sentiments are assimilated in the spirit of constructive crticism with which they are given. I am not a college Don and have no desire to become a cyber-cop, red-lining every mistake – that would take unto eternity!

Now, let's get back to the techie stuff. I never really liked English studies anyway.Laugh

By the way. – What happened to the original poster, awisdom01, who now seems to have gone into hiding on seeing all the mayhem caused.?

SEEK (Google) and yea shall find. Ars Longa, Vita Brevis.
April 5, 2010
12:38 PM
AlanR
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Ashraf said:

phoenix_rising said:

@ Ashraf: Moving from literal to numerical mistakes, when I tried to post earlier, the math question was "8+6". However, it kept telling me 14 was the wrong answer. Confused


 

Lololololol. Sounds like someone needs to work on their math skills. By "someone" I mean dotTech LaughLaughLaughLaugh.


 

Nah.. You just need to use Binary, or Octal or subliminals or something like that.

Using one of my kids primary school maths homework papers, the answer clearly is 5. Come on phoenix_rising, surely you should have known that.Wink LaughLaughLaughLOL

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April 5, 2010
12:45 PM
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BrotherWolf said:

Spelling and grammer be dammed, as long as the writer's point comes across, that's all that's important.


 

Totally disagree. Let's leave it at that and get back to techie business.

SEEK (Google) and yea shall find. Ars Longa, Vita Brevis.
April 5, 2010
6:36 PM
karen
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The best way to ensure good spelling and grammar is just to model it yourself.

April 5, 2010
6:37 PM
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DotTech seems to have learned the answer to 8+6 or at least it accepted my answer :-)

April 5, 2010
7:32 PM
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Hey, uhh, just a suggestion.  How about we lock this post?  The whole thing seems to be troll-y and it's not so cool… if Ashraf thinks it shouldn't be locked, then he can unlock it.  However I'm locking it for the time being, and if we want to continue talking about math and how dotTech fAiLs at it then we can make a new post.

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