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March 2, 2010
1:55 AM
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Improving perfection is impossible obviously but then one way of further improving http://www.dottech.org struck me. Our beloved blogsite is obviously also a great combo of 5 things:-

  1. Content
  2. Warmth
  3. Webmaster mystique
  4. Coding
  5. Scripting

In this thread I am referring only to the last one aka scripting.

The enablement of javascripting & its disablement in Firefox 3.5.8 is “calibrated” rather than “absolute” – meaning you can either turn off the tap (or turn it on) by degrees if you wish, rather than all at once. Perhaps other browsers manage the calibration differently. Ashraf is already aware that across the globe different browsers are marketleaders. It varies from region to region; even country to country.

On the main blog I’ve noticed that only a complete turning on of javascript would show a viewer “number of views”. If javascript is fully turned off you cannot see how many views a thread enjoys. You can see it only if javascript is fully turned on.This is pretty sad. I hope this can change.

While I know that coded apps are larger in file size (this perhaps affects server capacity utilization due to more lines of program code) therefore often scripting is preferred in such cases. That is sometimes why one prefers to trade off coding with scripting & at other times trade off scripting with coding. Its a what suits the context best kind of thing.

Also on the main blog you’d notice that our wonderful blogsite has articles which sometimes captures 5000+ views & even 130 comments & at other times it captures 700+ views & 35 comments. All mainblog articles play a role in increasing blog membership just like forum articles do. Only the topmost article shows number of views. Those below it do not. I hope this can change.

*Why did I write this post? Is it to teach our beloved webmaster what to do? Not at all. Far from it*

I wrote it just to get a point across & yet not have to start 2 threads where just one thread can do the trick. You seek clarification on my last sentence?  Fair enough. We have many highly tech savvy dottechies – too many to name. Some of them also know a lot about coding & scripting. So incidentally even if this thread throws up insights on savvy coding &/or savvy scripting such posts do not run the risk of becoming off topic.

Lastly there was a psychological reason too. All dottechies love their webmaster called Ashraf. As a consequence there may be several insights & suggestions due to which everyone would learn all the more – about the finer aspects of coding & scripting I mean.

Btw none of us (& me neither) are writing this with the vulgar intention to learn any trade secrets or private domain facts from our beloved webmaster. We have more then enough gratitude & affection towards Ashraf. We also have enough good character in us.

I’ve named this thread “Dottech Improvement – Suggestion 1″ purely because I for one would not be surprised given the high intellect dottechies possess, there would be many good suggestions. If they are new or different from this suggestion they can be appropriately called “Dottech Improvement – Suggestion 2″ , “Dottech Improvement – Suggestion 3″ and so on. Some of our older members may have noticed many more things.

I thought its one nice way of saying thanks to the wonderful person who goes by the name of “Ashraf”. I do hope you agree that it is just another way of saying “Thank You Ashraf”.

Ramesh Smile

 

Ramesh

March 2, 2010
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Ramesh,

Thanks for taking the time for writing suggestions! I dont take offense at all. Rather I encourage and appreciate feedback.

I cant make the pageviews non-JS. Well I can but I wont. The reason is that if I made it non-JS the views number would not refresh properly because of caching. Sorry :(.

In regard to your second point: What do you mean all posts should show views? All posts should already show views – not just the popular ones. Can you please provide me with a link to a post that doesnt show views? I will fix the problem ASAP.

March 2, 2010
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Ashraf said:

Ramesh,

Thanks for taking the time for writing suggestions! I dont take offense at all. Rather I encourage and appreciate feedback.

I cant make the pageviews non-JS. Well I can but I wont. The reason is that if I made it non-JS the views number would not refresh properly because of caching. Sorry :(.

In regard to your second point: What do you mean all posts should show views? All posts should already show views – not just the popular ones. Can you please provide me with a link to a post that doesnt show views? I will fix the problem ASAP.


 

You are welcome Ashraf! Smile

By way of response to your second para – there is a conventional answer & a lateral answer also, so I will give you both:-

  • Conventional Answer – “I cant make the pageviews non-JS”. If by this what you meant is that it is better to manage this “views number refreshment” using “scripting” rather than “coding”, ah well, that’s an entirely different point. Perhaps coding breaks a server app more often than scripting does. Perhaps coding occupies more server space, makes moving servers difficult, spreading across servers difficult, takes more time to write etc etc etc. I understand.
  • Out Of Box Answer – “I cant make the pageviews non-JS”. If by this what you meant is that

    javascript is better than scripts which are “other than javascript” simply because javascript has better cache management due to which “views number” refreshment happens better then I get what you say

    . Maybe other dottechies or you yourself with strong expertise on

    scripting would find a suitable solution. Just a thought. Can a server app have “code + 2 or more different scripts” or it is hemmed in – aka “it’s forced to have only “code + 1 script aka either only javascript or any other script”. If a server app can have “code + 2 or more different scripts” then perhaps you could solve this issue. Meaning if multiscripting is possible then this issue could be solved by using javascript for most things & a non java script for one. Anyway that was only a thought with an intention to help.

My response before, since, now & ever after is to “learn well” rather than “peek into privacy”. To that extent please bear with me & do not share with me private domain issues Ashraf! Which one did you mean – “Conventional Answer” or “Out Of Box Answer”

Please leave unsaid whatever is private domain.

Now for your last para. I am browsing on Firefox 3.5.8. Javascript is totally disabled “temporarily” & not “permanently”. Adblock Plus is disabled at present.

*Despite this I am unable to see views number for:-

1) Any thread on forum – not a single one. Meaning I see neither “Views” nor a “Views Number” in front of it. It would be nice to have it

2)Any thread on main blog – not a single one. Meaning I see “Views” but not a number in front of it. Even “Views” is not there for the 2 dottechie surveys – “advanced forums” & “which OS is preferred”. It would be nice to have it.

3)On main blog I see “views number” only for the blog right on top (the one on which of 3 Antivirus freeware is best – dottechies survey) – that too only if I click on “comments” or “read more”. *not otherwise Ashraf*

I could not “insert link” or “edit link” because in my WYSIWYG editor those 2 gui icons are either inactivated or I am not using them properly. I tried, failed & then had to retype this post all over again. I’ll confirm the latter (red italics)  by reading Locutus post on how to use WYSIWYG editor – these 2 icons. Only if I find a problem I’ll request your help.  Smile

In my next post I will post again just to say if I do not face this issue in Opera 10.10 or if due to browser change I do not face this problem

Ramesh Smile

March 2, 2010
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Ramesh Kumar said:

In my next post I will post again just to say if I do not face this issue in Opera 10.10 or if due to browser change I do not face this problem

Ramesh Smile


Hi Ashraf! Smile

Exactly the same problem in Opera 10.10 also.

Btw I never thought I’d live to see a day when I would need to answer to my own post.Surprised & that too post haste. eek.

It’s a good thing to stand up for oneself. But surely this is carrying things too far Wink

I other circumstances talking to one self even gets interpreted differently. Sheesh!

Just joking!Kiss

RameshSmile

March 2, 2010
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Ramesh,

So your problems are occuring when you turn off or disable JS? In that case, I am sorry but I can’t help you. The views counter works via JS and if you disable/turn off JS, then you will face problems.

In regards to your comments about using JS: it has nothing to do with code vs scripting or anything of a similar nature. It has to do with page caching. I cache all my pages for faster load times and less load on my server; since I cache my pages, a non-JS view counter would not properly show the pageviews. I need to use a JS counter for the views counter to work properly.

Hope that clears things up.

March 2, 2010
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Hi Ashraf! Just one last input. I am giving below a list of browsers. Who knows their experiences may be different.

There is actually one reason I am doing this friend. I intuit you are not only getting members faster but also from different countries. So you might find this useful:-

Courtesy & credits – 

http://ninjarabbits.blogspot.c…..wsers.html

 

The article is too long so it cannot be pasted.

 

Ramesh :)

 

March 2, 2010
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@Ozzie! Smile

Hi sis!Smile

I figured if swastika flag wavers are doing their thing this article could be useful for your NGO work.

Presently the violent mobs are hitting “people”, tomorrow they might even hit “internet browsers”. Why not be proactive & prepared! Surprised

Some countries do suffer internet muzzle. You or some of your colleagues in the IT department can proactively try out & keep at hand some of these alternative browsers to escape internet muzzle or at least browser muzzle.

RameshSmile

March 2, 2010
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Ashraf said:

Ramesh,

So your problems are occuring when you turn off or disable JS? In that case, I am sorry but I can’t help you. The views counter works via JS and if you disable/turn off JS, then you will face problems.

In regards to your comments about using JS: it has nothing to do with code vs scripting or anything of a similar nature. It has to do with page caching. I cache all my pages for faster load times and less load on my server; since I cache my pages, a non-JS view counter would not properly show the pageviews. I need to use a JS counter for the views counter to work properly.

Hope that clears things up.


Ashraf,

Yes it does clear things regarding this aspect. Now even with JS fully enabled the other issues I mentioned still remain inspite of Javascript full enablement. I do hope those get resolved too.

RameshSmile

March 2, 2010
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Ramesh Kumar said:

@Ozzie! Smile

Hi sis!Smile

I figured if swastika flag wavers are doing their thing this article could be useful for your NGO work.

Presently the violent mobs are hitting “people”, tomorrow they might even hit “internet browsers”. Why not be proactive & prepared! Surprised

Some countries do suffer internet muzzle. You or some of your colleagues in the IT department can proactively try out & keep at hand some of these alternative browsers to escape internet muzzle or at least browser muzzle.

RameshSmile


 

Hey there, little brother! I wish we had an IT department! We’re just a small NGO – we do it all ourselves. And as my colleagues would tell you were you ever to talk to them, when it comes to all things technical, I should be kept well away from matters involving computer technicalities. I am enthusiastic, but prone to dangerous mistakes!

But of course it is good advice. Mind you, I am far less worried about computer hacking from this mob as I am of their non-cyber attacks. They’re all too real and all too scary. Bloody thugs.

Anyway, speaking of which, I am off to a meeting to discuss these less-than-human individuals. Adios for now! Laugh 

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March 3, 2010
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Ramesh Kumar said:


Ashraf,
 

Yes it does clear things regarding this aspect. Now even with JS fully enabled the other issues I mentioned still remain inspite of Javascript full enablement. I do hope those get resolved too.

RameshSmile


 

I am very much confused, now. Even with JS fully enabled you can’t see the view counter on all posts? Which browser does this problem happen in? FF 3.8.5?

March 3, 2010
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Ashraf said:

Ramesh Kumar said:


Ashraf,

Yes it does clear things regarding this aspect. Now even with JS fully enabled the other issues I mentioned still remain inspite of Javascript full enablement. I do hope those get resolved too.

RameshSmile


I am very much confused, now. Even with JS fully enabled you can’t see the view counter on all posts? Which browser does this problem happen in? FF 3.8.5?

Both Firefox 3.5.8 & Opera 10.10.

RameshSmile

March 3, 2010
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even magic collage review which is there now does not show views number. it shows you views number only if you click comments

ramesh

March 3, 2010
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ditto on IE6 too

Ramesh

March 3, 2010
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Ramesh, that sounds like a very strange problem you are having.  Have you been turning off javascript on the browser level (most of them have an option to disable it entirely) or using an add-in such as NoScript? 

If you are not using NoScript, I definitely recommend it.  You can turn javascript off on a per-domain and/or per-page basis.  Actually the default is for it to be off and then you enable it on pages/sites you want to.  It’s annoying at first because lots of sites don’t work properly, but I have the NoScript icon in my status bar at the bottom of FF and I can then click on it to enable javascript (either temporarily or permanently).  But after you’ve trained it for a while, it works great!

BTW, I don’t see any reason to block it completely on a browser level.  Just like any technology, there is nothing inherently evil about javascript.  It is a very useful technology and used all over the web.  Without it, you have to refresh an entire web page if something changes, not just the part that changed.  Depending on how long you’ve been on the web, you would remember when this was the only way of doing things.  Javascript (specifically things called JSON and AJAX) allows you to post things to a server and get a reply and then only update the part of the web page that actually changed (such as a view count).

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@Ramesh: I honestly don’t know what to tell you. You should not be facing any problems if you have JS fully enabled. I will look into the problem, but unless I am able to replicate it myself I won’t be able to do much about it.

@Karen: My sentiments exactly. I hate it when people block JS. JS is a web technology that should be embraced not blocked. Blocking web technologies just makes it that much for frustrating for web developers to create quality websites.

March 3, 2010
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@Karen: My sentiments exactly. I hate it when people block JS. JS is a web technology that should be embraced not blocked. Blocking web technologies just makes it that much for frustrating for web developers to create quality websites.


 

That’s why I love NoScript.  If it’s a page I’ve never been to, but I have no reason not to trust then I’ll just temporarily enable it for that page.  If it’s somewhere I go frequently, then I just enable JS for the entire site.

NoScript is also interesting because it allows you to see all of the other sites that the main site connects to.  For instance, dottech pages all have connections to google.com, googlesyndication.com, doubleclick.net, etc.  All of which I’ve allowed.  But on sites that I’m not as familiar with, it is good to be able to only enable JS from parts of the site.

 

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Incidentally, I just had a NoScript warning that it had blocked ‘a possible cross-site scripting (XSS) attack from http://ad.doubleclick.net‘.

I’ve never seen that warning before, but it definitely happened while I was on dottech.

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Incidentally, I just had a NoScript warning that it had blocked ‘a possible cross-site scripting (XSS) attack from http://ad.doubleclick.net‘.

I’ve never seen that warning before, but it definitely happened while I was on dottech.


 

Chances are it is a false positive. Google gives its ads a good amount of screening so they are almost always “safe”. Now I say almost always because there have been a few instances where malware ads appeared on AdSense but it doesn’t happen very often.

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Yeah, I wasn’t too worried.

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karen said:

 

That’s why I love NoScript.  If it’s a page I’ve never been to, but I have no reason not to trust then I’ll just temporarily enable it for that page.  If it’s somewhere I go frequently, then I just enable JS for the entire site.

NoScript is also interesting because it allows you to see all of the other sites that the main site connects to.  For instance, dottech pages all have connections to google.com, googlesyndication.com, doubleclick.net, etc.  All of which I’ve allowed.  But on sites that I’m not as familiar with, it is good to be able to only enable JS from parts of the site.

 


 

Ditto your sentiments about NoScript. It’s a great tool.

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