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March 4, 2010
1:04 AM
Ramesh Kumar
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karen said:

Ramesh, that sounds like a very strange problem you are having.  Have you been turning off javascript on the browser level (most of them have an option to disable it entirely) or using an add-in such as NoScript? 

If you are not using NoScript, I definitely recommend it.  You can turn javascript off on a per-domain and/or per-page basis.  Actually the default is for it to be off and then you enable it on pages/sites you want to.  It's annoying at first because lots of sites don't work properly, but I have the NoScript icon in my status bar at the bottom of FF and I can then click on it to enable javascript (either temporarily or permanently).  But after you've trained it for a while, it works great!

BTW, I don't see any reason to block it completely on a browser level.  Just like any technology, there is nothing inherently evil about javascript.  It is a very useful technology and used all over the web.  Without it, you have to refresh an entire web page if something changes, not just the part that changed.  Depending on how long you've been on the web, you would remember when this was the only way of doing things.  Javascript (specifically things called JSON and AJAX) allows you to post things to a server and get a reply and then only update the part of the web page that actually changed (such as a view count).


 

Hi Karen! Smile 

  1. Bullseye! I use NoScript rather than Browser level management within FF 3.5.8. In Opera 10.10 I use F12 key for total enablement of not just javascript but indeed all types of objects – including images etc etc etc. I share your view that the web is to be enjoyed (translates to keeping Javascript fully on). Only if a website is not trusted one should turn off the javascript tap fully or partially. I agree – if a site is good the javascript tap should be fully open. I've always believed that btw.
  2. Like you in FF3.5.8 the NoScript icon sits on the bottom of my screen with AdBlock Plus icon sitting on its left like two siblings.
  3. In terms of my habits I keep javascript turned on fully on or fully off on website basis rather than web page basis. My reason for not doing it web pagewise is because I do not as yet know a practical & quick way of determining "which individual javascript among several different javascripts; often more than thirty) is a "bad boy script". On Opera 10.10 forum, one member as tech savvy as you said determination of "goodness" or "badness" across 30 scripts could take up an entire afternoon. Since I did not & do not have an entire afternoon of free time I gave up finding that out. Is there a simple way to learn that? If yes I'd enjoy surfing all the more. Teach me if possible. I am confident of picking it up fast.
  4. Glad to learn that java script is "trainable." Does it learn by itself or do I have to teach it by entering data into its database Karen? Do you mean trusted/untrusted sites &/or scripts from specific/all/no websites being allowed to script into those sites &/or web pages. It does not seem difficult to grasp.
  5. Yes I did see AJAX earlier (inside NoScript Options) but now when I click I only see -  "ABE", "HTTPS", "JAR", "XSS", "Trusted", "Untrusted". My Applications Boundary Enforcer aka ABE is enabled. This last para I haven't yet gained mastery over yet. I am in FF3.5.8 btw. So for the present I am not trying to master it; but only taking one step at a time. *I haven't added any "trustworthy" or "untrustworthy" sites to the data base btw.With posts like this from you to me I'll pick it up Karen……..very fast.
  6. I keep javascript fully enabled when I am in http://www.dottech.org whether on this particular webpage or any other webpage. I haven't right clicked – for any website – "make page permissions permanent" or "Allow Scripts Globally." The last only because internet is just too dynamic……….on rare occasions bad boys get into good sites too……..though very rarely.  :)
  7. Got it "Javascript (specifically things called JSON and AJAX) allows you to post things to a server and get a reply and then only update the part of the web page that actually changed (such as a view count)". I'll pick up this tip pronto. It looks simple enough.

Thanks Karen. Pls get back on just those few points i have doubts on. I already feel clearer about so many issues.

Ramesh Smile

March 4, 2010
1:30 AM
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Ashraf said:


Ashraf,

 

 

I am very much confused, now. Even with JS fully enabled you can't see the view counter on all posts? Which browser does this problem happen in? FF 3.8.5?


 

Hi Ashraf! Smile

An extremely happy development versus yesterday.

*Every single main blog post now not only shows the word "Views" but also "Views number in front of it".* I do not (unlike yesterday) have to click on "Comments" or "Read more" to see these two things.

Forum blogs still does not show either the word "Views" or "Views Number". It would be nice if this is possible. When you said "Even with JS fully enabled you can't see the view counter on all posts?" I take it that forum blogs should show it too.

Isn't that what you meant?

*Also, 3 days back the tab in 3.5.8 & Opera 10.10 showed the name of the thread. Now the tab only shows "Forums I dotTech" – javascript is fully on & adblock plus is fully disabled*

Ramesh Smile

 

March 4, 2010
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Hi Karen! Smile

I've figured out many answers from your posts. Kindly therefore only:-

  • Answer only to point 4 & 5, confirm if I am doing 6 correctly & explain just a wee bit regarding 7

Thanks! Smile

Ramesh Smile

March 4, 2010
12:31 PM
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Ramesh Kumar said:

Ashraf said:


Ashraf,
 

 

 

I am very much confused, now. Even with JS fully enabled you can't see the view counter on all posts? Which browser does this problem happen in? FF 3.8.5?


 

Hi Ashraf! Smile

An extremely happy development versus yesterday.

*Every single main blog post now not only shows the word "Views" but also "Views number in front of it".* I do not (unlike yesterday) have to click on "Comments" or "Read more" to see these two things.

Forum blogs still does not show either the word "Views" or "Views Number". It would be nice if this is possible. When you said "Even with JS fully enabled you can't see the view counter on all posts?" I take it that forum blogs should show it too.

Isn't that what you meant?

*Also, 3 days back the tab in 3.5.8 & Opera 10.10 showed the name of the thread. Now the tab only shows "Forums I dotTech" – javascript is fully on & adblock plus is fully disabled*

Ramesh Smile


 

Glad to see you got atleast one problem fixed!

In regards to the forums, they already show the amount of views. Look in the thread list, such as http://dottech.org/forums/talk-it-up/.

Lastly, I know that problem about the tabs only showing Forums | dotTech instead of the forum name. This problem only recently popped up and I am not particularly sure why it is happening. I am, however, in the process of trying to get it fixed.

March 4, 2010
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4) NoScript is trainable.  Not javascript.  i.e., once you mark a site/page as safe with NoScript it remembers the next time.

5) not quite sure what the question was.  anyway, I didn't really mention ajax as something that NoScript deals with.  I assume it does since ajax is just a specialized form of javascript.  I've never looked under the covers of NoScript.

6) I only use the NoScript option to enable for a page when I'm on a site that I'm not that familiar with or visit infrequently and the page doesn't look quite right or I cannot submit a form, etc.  Then I enable it temporarily for the page so that I can do what I came to do.  I never try to figure out which javascript on a page is safe or not.  I figure Avira will take care of something that sneaks through.

7) If you're not a web developer there is no real reason to need to understand AJAX or JSON.  The only important part to know is that they enable updating part of a web page rather than having to reload the entire page when something changes.  Basically AJAX and JSON are libraries of javascript code that other programmers use to create dynamic web pages.

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