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Firefox 4: Whaddaya think?
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August 25, 2010
7:10 PM
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Oooh.  Looks nice, doesn't it?  What do you think of Firefox 4?  I like it!  It's faster, has some cool new tab "candy" (old codename) and has app tabs.  Although, it has some significant backend changes that are seriously breaking addons.  But, look to the future!

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August 25, 2010
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im running it right now (proud user of beta4!) its cool and much much faster.. sometimes i ahve to use my old 3.5 (or 3.6, whichever) and hte speed is quite noticible (i use that becasue of the add-ons)..

 

but yahh… i cant wait to see other browsers.. i hear the IE 9 Chrome 6 Opera (maybe) and safari (???) might all have speed increases so much that the fastest one is gonna be impossible to find?

 

idk

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August 25, 2010
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It looks so much like Opera =O

August 26, 2010
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I dislike Opera, for the one reason that:  two-finger scrolling, at least on my install, makes it go back a page. 

Every browser looks like Opera, except IE!

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August 26, 2010
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I grabbed the Beta at my earliest opportunity.  For whatever reason, 3.6 was giving me horrendous problems with crashing on shutdown and was generally misbehaving.  While I know that the standard prescription was to methodically eliminate extensions, I only wanted to do that to a point because, while I'm not all that loaded with extensions, there are several that form the basis of my primary enjoyment of FF.   By the time the Beta came along, I was already using Chrome as my primary, and for the most part still do, but I have a strong allegiance to Mozilla… which has been strengthening in the face of their, uhm, intercourse w. Verizon.

August 26, 2010
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I've been using Chrome 6 (downloaded from MajorGeeks) alongside FF 3.6 for a few months and it works fine, but I didn't see much change from Chrome 5. Google is releasing new versions of both twice or more a month. I like Chrome's speed and its minimalist interface, but Google's "do it our way" attitude turns me off.

 

I recently installed PaleMoon, an optimized FF 3.6.8, and it is noticeably faster than FF 3.6.8, with no problems yet apparent. FF betas have had lots of problems in the past year, so I'll wait before trying them. Anyway, I'm impressed with PaleMoon, so I'll probably wait for PaleMoon 4.0.

August 26, 2010
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@ashraf

lol! thats what i was gonna say.. bu i forgot to write it in my post.

 

hahaha

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August 26, 2010
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Woah! Firefox 4!!! I didn't even know it was out…..why does the interface look like the chrome os….any way @Locu what os are you using FF 4 on? Windows 7? Looks really cool…and slick….my FF doesn't look anything like that…Surprised

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August 26, 2010
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Pshhh, the Opera 10.70 dev builds are way better.

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August 26, 2010
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calebstein said:

Pshhh, the Opera 10.70 dev builds are way better.


caleb and his opera…….[sigh....]

*not that theres anything wrong with it….Laugh

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August 26, 2010
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PCbasics said:

calebstein said:

Pshhh, the Opera 10.70 dev builds are way better.


caleb and his opera…….[sigh....]
*not that theres anything wrong with it….Laugh

You know Opera is better.
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August 26, 2010
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calebstein said:

You know Opera is better.
 


[sighs, again]……uh huh…..Smile
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August 26, 2010
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Less fanboyism puhleez.

August 27, 2010
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Off-topic: If Opera is so great, why does hardly anyone use it or even know about it? (No, honestly – I'm asking)

On-topic: Can't say Firefox 4 has me sold right now, and I'm a keen Firefox user myself (in fact I'm using FF 3.6.8 to write this :) )…

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August 27, 2010
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The Living Spirit said:

Off-topic: If Opera is so great, why does hardly anyone use it or even know about it? (No, honestly – I'm asking)


It's just so ahead of its time that people have been slow to adopt it.  Just give it time, you'll see.
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August 27, 2010
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@Calebstein: I hope you do realize Opera has been out for a while. People have had plenty of time to "adopt" it. Opera is good, no doubt, but trying to convert users to it is an annoying and fruitless task because it won't work; Opera has its advantages but none of them are speed or extensibility, which are two key aspects consumers look for in their browsers.

(Yes, I know everytime a new version of Opera is released it "blows everyone away" in benchmarks. However, as per my experience, Opera excels in speed in benchmarks, but not in real-life performance.)

August 27, 2010
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Yes, I realize that, I'm just saying that it has so many groundbreaking features that other browsers don't have, so maybe people are hesitant to switch.  Like, for instance, would you like to give up your bookmarks bar right now, and replace it with Speed Dial?  Also, I have to disagree with you on the speed and extensibility.  Opera is actually significantly faster than Firefox in my own tests, and, it has so many features packed in that it doesn't need any extensions.  What if you could have Firefox, but have it with all your addons preinstalled, and have it faster?  That would be Opera.

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August 27, 2010
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You know, I have a feeling "Firefox v Opera" is a debate that could go on forever, and even start a few flame wars if it is left to continue too long. But arguing about that is not the purpose of this topic, and I'd rather just walk away if that is what it is to become.

I realise I didn't explain WHY I don't think much of Firefox 4. Quite frankly, I think it's because a lot of the stuff I'm seeing go into it, seems to me like change for the sake of change – I don't honestly see how it actually serves a useful purpose. Now, the most obvious changes – speed boosts, process seperation etc – are useful and a very nice touch, I'll admit. Unlike some though, I'm not sold on those points alone.

On the other hand, it looks like much of the interface is being redesigned and overhauled. Ordinarily, I'd consider that a GOOD thing; but this time, a lot of it seems to me to just be mimicing things Chrome and Opera did before, for example the menu bar and tabs in the title bar. Considering that moving the tabs makes no actual FUNCTIONAL difference; and the Opera-style menu bar is a potential hinderance to those used to looking for a "Tools" menu to find what they want, etc. (thank god it's switchable back), I don't really see what point there is to these changes other than worthless extra eye-candy. And in my view, if you wanted a browser that looked like Opera or Chrome, why not just use Opera or Chrome? And that really sums up what I think of Firefox 4 so far – the major changes are useful and well-recieved, but not enough is being changed to make it feel like a worthwhile upgrade, and so many other changes seem just pointless.

I'm saddened to be so scathing of what has been for so long my favourite browser, and I do hope Firefox do something in the time up to it's release to make me reconsider my view. But facts are facts, and I'm always honest with my opinions. And since I have no intention of being a part of any flame war, if these comments have offended anybody, then I appologise – but please politely respect my views in any response you make; or else keep it to yourself, because I simply won't care otherwise.

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August 27, 2010
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@Spirit: that is actually a good idea.  I think I'll share my opinion of it as well.  I do like the new Firefox menu and the tabs on top, because, as an Opera user, I feel more at home with those settings, but, I think it is slow and laggy.  It takes 10 seconds to load a page, whereas Opera takes 2 seconds to load a page on a slow connection.  Also, I don't like how they took away the bookmarks bar by default and didn't have a good substitution for it.  For example, Opera has Speed Dial.  And yes, I'll admit, there are lots of addons to add functionality to Firefox, and I did find a good Speed Dial addon for Firefox.  And, I don't like how the tabs are not animated at all.  It may be because I'm young, but I do expect some degree of eye-candy from modern products.  It just doesn't feel right to have everything else in Firefox be smooth, but to have very choppy tabs.  And, one last thing, I don't like how they wasted screen space by putting the Firefox menu and close, maximize, minimize on the same level, but putting the tabs below it.  That wastes space.  I prefer it in Opera where the menu, tabs, and buttons are all on the same plane.  Though, knowing Firefox, there is probably an addon for that.

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August 27, 2010
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I don't see why anyone should go into battle over a browser. That doesn't make sense. Each to their own, I reckon. I'm a long-time FF user and love it. I've tried IE, Chrome and Opera, but they're not for me. If you're happy with your browser, then great. Everyone has their own individual likes and dislikes, their own needs and wants. And if people find a browser that fits the bill for them, more power to them. But the whole browser war thing is kinda silly, IMHO.

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