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July 12, 2010
9:09 PM
PCbasics
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I have said that i am going to switch from MSE and change to a different AV. I have subscribed to a magazine called PCworld and they say that one of the best was MSE. Other than that…..it was one of the only actual FREE AV. NO paid versions….therefore i get all the features of the av for free. I read somewhere (i completely forgot…probably another PCworld issue) that those FREE versions of avs are free for a reason and that they do next to or no protection. so thats why im like Umm…should i stick with MSE or a free version AV??!! I was thinking of switching to Avast….like mentioned in Ashraf's Post….but then i read this article:

btw i scanned this out of PCworlds magazine….Laugh

and just to through it out there…(another excerpt from PCworld):

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July 12, 2010
9:24 PM
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 The articles are right in the sense that no AV or other type of security software will offer you 100% protection.

You want to know what the best tool is? YOU, the user.

- Be careful of websites you're visiting

- Always scan any foreign thumbdrives or flashdrives you stick in your pc

- Never under estimate the protection of your browser's safety addons, they work!

- And always make sure whichever AV you're using is up-to-date.

You do this, trust me it won't matter if it's MSE or AVAST or NORTON or MBAM etc… You will be safe. I guarantee Wink

 

* Oh and combos are always a good plus.

July 13, 2010
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The threat of zero-day attacks should not be underestimated; they are very real and they can be very harmful. However Gioneo is right: If you play it safe, you will be safe.

July 13, 2010
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Just don't use IE.

/only half joking

Here's an interesting comparison:

http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_report26.pdf

http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_report25.pdf

The first one is for on-demand scans, the second for always-running protection.  You'll see why security people ask you to run scans!!! Ouchy (is the name of some place near Lake Geneva). /random

Oh, the site that was :(
July 13, 2010
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That's very true.  Like the "broken ESET" I have, it does completely nothing at all. But IE is somewhat safer than other browsers am I correct? Like when you do banking for example…

July 13, 2010
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How exactly is IE safer?

And plus, that was Joji with the broekn ESET. Wink

Oh, the site that was :(
July 13, 2010
3:55 PM
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Well actually im not looking for a browser….looking for a free av…like mentioned in the post..a completely free AV….NOT a free version

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July 13, 2010
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@PCBasics – as I mentioned in another thread, I've been using MSE for months with no problems. But @gioneo is correct as well. I'm very careful about where I visit, what I download from the internet.

July 13, 2010
5:07 PM
Lascannon
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Locutus said:

How exactly is IE safer?

And plus, that was Joji with the broekn ESET. Wink


All the ESETs in the school are "not working very well"… let's just say. It detects less than Malwarebytes'. Ashraf just told me how I used broken with ESET was offensive… so I'm not going to use it… even though I don't get how it's even offensive. It just doesn't do anything at all! > < 99% of the stuff detected by Malwarebytes' can not be detected by ESET at all. That's why the ESET they provided is rubbish in my case. And that's the 2nd reason why many people experiencing that, installed a secound AV or suppement AV on to their system; but mostly supplement, because we want to save space and we don't want to let it interfere with the main AV. Hopefully they change it to MSE or something much "less rubbish" than ESET we're using. I just don't get it. ESET comes with anti-malware does it? Then how come it can't detect things while Malwarebytes' and other AVs I have can?
 

…and isn't IE kinda safe? As to other browsers like say Chrome or Opera… I'm not completely sure. Perhaps I'm wrong?

July 13, 2010
5:18 PM
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Well, if the computers and software (ESET or anything else) belong to the school, then they have the right to install whatever software they want to and lock it down so that the students cannot modify it. Of course, you have the right to be unhappy about their decisions, but not to try to subvert them.

It's no different out in the corporate or government world. Most of the PCs at work are locked down. You cannot modify or change the installed AV software at all (and I have admin rights to the PC but AV stuff is enforced at the ActiveDirectory policy level). And this is on a fairly well-protected network of experienced IT professionals. Most of the people in my office don't even have admin rights to their own desktop, just me and a few other developers that need to be able to install software. And this isn't unusual-I've had similar experiences in a variety of jobs.

That's what a home computer is for. So you can install whatever you want and modify it however you want.

July 13, 2010
5:29 PM
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@Karen

Whoa whoa whoa… slow it down there. I never said anything about cracking it open to make the heuristic levels or settings higher in order to make that thing work. I'm just saying, it doesn't detect anything. Either they didn't check if it worked properly, or they just bought the 400+ copies of the business edition just because ESET is known to have a good rep,  for us students. Yes, they do have the right to install what they want, but haven't they tested it or knew if it detects anything at all? When I received trojans ones (those that opens up fake ads on IE all the time), I scanned it with their ESET, and it found nothing at all. Malwarebytes'? Found them all. Deleted them all, and my laptop is fixed. Get the point?

 

But of coarse, I do understand, we have more privileges because we have to well… do work go surfing, all kinds of things. But a business computer is different because all your'e doing is one specific job, it's not like a personal computer. But we "bought" the laptop, so that's why we have more privileges. It's hard to explain…

 

But like  I said again, if they change it to MSE, then atleast does something that ESET they provided can't. MhM…

July 13, 2010
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Srry, let's get back to topic. I haven't really tried the "real home-version ESET" yet, but other than that, MSE is top, McAfee in fact is a REAL improvement over UI, detection rate, etc.

 

Though, like MSE, Mcafee isn't completely perfect. Both received a rating of 8/10 from MaximumPC.

 

If you can get your hand son Mcafee, then that's great. If your'e going for Kaspersky, then don't; it will bog down your system a bit (shut down the module to make ur system run fast again), virus updates are slowwwww (around 1.5 minutes), and their menu isn't completely organized… hard to find some things.

 

But again, so far, MSE tops the list out of the other free AV. I have nothing else to recommend other than MSE. MSE is beast! XD

 

Here' the article I was talking about; scroll down to find the review for MSE: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/kill?page=0,1

 

Benchmark/features comparisons: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/kill?page=0,2

July 13, 2010
5:40 PM
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Well, if you have the privilege to be able to install other AV software (like MalwareBytes that you said you installed), then why does it matter that ESET doesn't detect some/any malware?

But anyway, if the laptop is yours and you bought it, then you should be able to install other AV software. But if you are connecting it to the school's network, then they get to have some say in what protection it has. C'est la vie.

July 13, 2010
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@Karen

We paid the laptop for around $3000 CAD I think… and the ESET Business Edition is probably $40. There, $40 wasted already due to a AV that doesn't do a good job at all. Does it make sense that we have to pay for an AV that doesn't work at all and we have to keep it? Nope. Oh, and the laptop is ours to keep forever. We get free repairs and a 3 years warranty. But we can't always let them repair it, or else they'll get mad. The warranty covers accidental damage, coffee spills, my-house-went-on-fire-and-my-laptop-has-been-burned. Something like that…

July 13, 2010
5:48 PM
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Is it wise to have two Anti-Virus programs installed at the same time?

I've heard that can cause problems (ie: seeing the other AV's definition files as 'infected', 'fixing them' and both AV's have definition files that don't work).

 

anti-mailware/spyware programs (ie: MalwareBytes AntiMailware) on the otherhand – don't seem to have the same reputation/problem? and can be (and should be) used to suppliment/backup/look for things your anti-virus program doesn't look for.

 

ie: personally, I've got the free version of Avast!, the free version of Ad-Aware and also run the free (gee, the word free is showing up alot :-p) version of MalwareByes AntiMailware on a regular basis.

All get updated regulary, as does the OS (in my case Windows XP).

 

actually, that's a bit of advice to share about keeping your computer 'safer' – run the updates (security updates etc) for operating system on a regular basis – and every so often do it manualy every so often because sometimes the auto update doesn't Wink (or can be disabled by virus/worms/spyware/malware etc).

 

And, speaking from experience, being called around to a friend of a friend's place to 'fix' their computer and finding that the anti-virus on their computer was a expired 6 months free trial (computer was about 3+ years old by then), and that the operating system (XP) hadn't (auto) updated in about 2 years is no fun. 

(although I do wish I had taken a screenshot of how many things AVG and MalwareByes AntiMalware found on that computer Yell, it could of made for a nice little "It's Over Nine THOUSAND!!!!" joke)

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July 13, 2010
6:11 PM
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Lascannon said:

 When I received trojans ones (those that opens up fake ads on IE all the time), I scanned it with their ESET, and it found nothing at all. Malwarebytes'? Found them all. Deleted them all, and my laptop is fixed. Get the point?


 

looking at the comparisons Locutus posted links to, ESET seems to rate well.

hmmm ….

silly question, how 'old' is the version of ESET, and are the definitions updating properly?

ie: could something (virus/worm etc) have gotten it Lascannon's system and disabled/damaged ESET somehow?  Is there anyway Lascannon can check?)

 

(trying to help from the peanuts gallery *is* still trying to help Laugh)

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July 13, 2010
6:26 PM
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@GrantWhy

ESET Nod32 Antivirus 4 Business Edition
Recently re-imaged since they had to put in some new programs such as PhotoShop Elements 8. Laugh (They removed 5 and 7 off our systems, so awesome!) 
Virus Signature 5576 (20100713)

I can't check its heuristic settings or how high its detection rates are since it's all locked by an admin pass. Poohey. I'm just hoping they'd do something about it to make ESET detect "more" and "quarantine more" viruses than before; just like Malwarebytes'.

 

Oh and Grantwhy, there are 2 kinds of AV. They are the regular AVs and the supplement AV. Supplement AV do not offect the main AV and it acts like a "sidekick". The main AV does all the "big brother work" and has more features and security than the supplement. Something like that… but in my case, the Malwaresbytes' is the big brother why the ESET is the little brother. LoL…

 

Just to let you know… BitDefender, Comodo, and TrendMicro are a big no no. Never good. Read this detailed article by MaximumPC: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/kill?page=0,1

Read it and find out why those 3 paid AVs aren't as good as the rest. But again, some AVs such as Panda or AVG may not be appealing to others, but some people that I talked to said it's preferable over other AVs such as Malwarebytes. Odd eh?

July 20, 2010
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For a good free AV, try ClamAV for Windows, if you are using Windows.

http://clamav.org/

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July 21, 2010
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calebstein said:

For a good free AV, try ClamAV for Windows, if you are using Windows.

http://clamav.org/


It's ok I guess. But remember, ClamAV is a cloud based AV program. It's not like !avast where they use the traditional method of protecting your system.
July 22, 2010
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