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February 9, 2010
4:01 AM
Wheezer
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I've seen the link for "WindowsEight (.org)" in the dotTech Friends area of the right sidebar for a while now. I've even visited it to check it out. But it's still under construction.

My question is this: Is it a new Ashraf site that's in development?

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February 9, 2010
9:22 AM
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Yeah… He wouldn't affiliate with a site that wasn't complete yet – how would he know if it was any good? – unless it was his own… OR WOULD HE!?!?

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February 9, 2010
9:59 AM
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Wheezer thanks!

Ashraf judging by 3 things – the name you've given "WindowsEight.org", your wow intellect & your great honesty this is just a guess I am making.:wink:

The pre-WindowsEight.org scenario-
.dotTech.org is positioned as "Professional Technologians". Under that positioning platform two core consumer benefits are being provided:-
1) giveaways
2) simplification of complex computer concepts to make it easily understandable to even non-geeks

The post-WindowsEight scenario
These are my presumptions regarding the future & frankly I am excited, wish well & feel that the future news would only be good:-:smile:

What you presumably are going to do is:-
1)continue offering giveaways from dotTech because the name is already established & businesswise http://www.dotTech.org is well monetized.
2)offer concept simplification from WindowsEight.org & leverage a tie-up with Microsoft.

This way both sites under your helmsmanship would be healthy revenue earners – the former via ads & the latter via a sponsorship support.

Judging by the name http://www.WindowsEight.org it appears that you would focusedly support Windows OS rather than taking a "man-for-all-seasons-route" by supporting linux, apple, java etc etc etc.The earlier "os-platform-neutral" stance would now give way to a "pro-Windows" platform one.

Microsoft also would benefit.By aligning with you it would be able to accelerate positive opinion formation, improve mkt shares of Vista & Win7 & stem a declining adoption rate (since WinXP peak days).Windows OS adoption rates have been continually declining since Xp. Win7 adoption rate in fact hit the floor. .NET too needs to do better than what it has over the last 8 years.64 bit also needs to pull its weight.

With your awesome cerebral contributions & those of other talented webmasters like you Microsoft would strive to improve its overall mkt share which has been slipping since Nov 2009. Both Microsoft & a good webmaster would benefit!

I used to be a little concerned upon Google searching "www.dotTech.org" in my initial dotTechie days.That was because in the list of webhits (even today) in serial order the first to appear was your website & what appeared below it was 2 different monetary values of what http://www.dotTech.org was worth. It was pegged at some $35,000/- or so. I was zapped, saddened, concerned & felt that this kind of search engine prioritization of search results was awfully indiscreet. Around this time there were threads you started like "would you pay to visit a website you like" etc etc & another relating to an aspiration to be the best blog! I said Omigod what a horrible combination of circumstances.The meltdown was another ghost lurking around.

I was like Omigod why does bad things happen to good webmasters & good websites.

Now I feel in my bones that:-
1) my well meaning apprehensions are misplaced
2) very good days are ahead for both websites & also for the webmaster
3) these strategic moves were the main reason for tiring you in the recent past & also for your brief sabbatical.You are sounding much more peppier & success is indeed the father of pep.:lol:

Cheers from your wellwisher. We are with you all the way; any which way:lol:
Ramesh :smile:

February 9, 2010
11:11 AM
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Wow, you guys gave this a lot more thought than I did!

I just noticed the "(.org)" thing, then went to the site and saw the line "Visit dotTech.org, the best thing since sliced bread, while you wait."

The visit dotTech line made me think it might be a site Ashraf is starting up.

I really didn't give it much more thought than that other than to make a mental note to check it again from time to time.

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February 9, 2010
11:55 AM
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I am a man of many surprises. (Okay maybe not but I have always wanted to say that.)

WindowsEight.org is actually my website. I got it on a whim, without really deciding what to do with it. So in that regard, I am open to suggestions. For now it is more "pending until Ashraf figures out something to do with it" rather than "under construction" Laugh.

February 9, 2010
12:17 PM
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@ Ashraf:

Ah-ha! So I was right in my guess. Smile

I've actually got a couple sites like that, just hanging out in cyber space doing nothing much. Mine are all free sites tho, except for one. Which I really should get off my backside and do something with.

As for suggestions, I don't have any well thought out ones to offer. In a general sense tho, I guess I was thinking it might be a site with the latest and greatest offerings out there, according to you or a system you devise for deciding which the best programs are in different categories, *for most people.*

It'd be hard to do because of all the different computer configurations and OS's there are, but I figured that if anyone could figure out a way to do it, you'd have the best chance of doing it.

But whatever you end up doing with the site, have fun with it! I'll keep checking in on it once in a while, and once it's up and running I'll probably be a regular visitor there too.

Enjoy your day!

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February 9, 2010
12:22 PM
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@ Ashraf:

And hey, if nothing else, since there's always the chance that widows 8 will be the next big change MS makes, it might end up being profitable to own that domain name.

(I've gotta work on my proof reading skills. I read what I typed, post it, and then notice little stupid things I missed. Geez…)

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February 9, 2010
1:19 PM
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Well you should really start now if you want it to be big by the time 8 comes around. I would suggest just setting up some forums for now, make boards for speculation, what you would like to see in 8, etc.

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February 9, 2010
3:14 PM
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@Wheezer: Thanks Laugh.

@Pwnana: A terrific suggestion. The only problem is, what if Windows Eight is, infact, not Windows Eight? (If you get what I mean.)

February 9, 2010
3:23 PM
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I was just referring to owning the domain name. If  MS decides to call the next big rollout Windows 8, they'll want every domain name possibile that includes the words windows and eight. And they'll have the money to buy the domain names that have already been bought by other people, from those people.

I know, that's a huge "if." But it's possible, if the moon and planets line up just right. Wink

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February 9, 2010
4:20 PM
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I assume that Wheezer is right in saying that if Microsoft was planning on calling their next OS "Windows 8" they would have bought any websites with that URL a long time ago.

I think it would be cool if your windows 8 website was all about tips, tricks, and hacks within windows, while dottech.org remains basically dedicated to software.

I really WOULD love to see more hacks presented on Dottech.org. Computers were invented for the tinkerer, after all.

Any comments? Questions? Outbursts?
February 9, 2010
4:26 PM
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I disagree. Even if Microsoft names the next one Windows Eight, they would have already bought all the domains they desire. The rest they don't care about.

For example, do a whois on Windows8.com, Windows8.net, and Windows8.org. Windows8.com/.net have been registered by firm that provides, among other things, domain related services to companies (the same firm that Microsoft used to register Windows7.com/.net/.org) and Windows8.org is registered via Melbourne IT, the domain registrar Microsoft uses for its hosting/domain services, such as Microsoft Small Business, to VeriSign. Coincidence? I doubt it.

My point is, if Microsoft cared about WindowsEight.org (asuming they will name the next one Windows Eight) they would have already claimed it.

Update: Seems Refpeuk posted while I was typing. I am disagreeing with Wheezer but esentially agreeing with Refpeuk.

February 9, 2010
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i think that it would be nice to see window eight.org to have a news feed on the latest windows OS, a link to a beta if it comes out, and links to your Virtual machene tutorials.

Just my opinion anyway.

February 9, 2010
6:10 PM
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Yeah, links to my VM articles would be great Wink

But in all seriousness, Windows 8 better be good Cool

Or else.

"Or else what?"

Or else…. I won't buy it.

Oh, the site that was :(
February 9, 2010
6:56 PM
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Yea, probably. But as you said, most Windows8 type sites are already been claimed by (most likely) Microsoft, but not Windows'eight'. Cuz most people are too lazy to type out Eight. To me, "WindowsEight.org" Sounds like a site devoted to whatever windows is following Seven. I bet Vista had a few "Six" sites before its release. And XP probably had some "5/Five" sites. So, you already have it, we should start it up. Dottech should become experts on windows "8" now, while its only speculation, and maybe it will become a central hub in the Eight community later.

I don't think I'm getting my point across very well… :oops:

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February 9, 2010
7:15 PM
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No you are doing just fine. I totally understand what you are saying now and the idea sounds appealing.

February 9, 2010
7:17 PM
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@pwnana

I think I get what you mean, and yea, it's a good idea. Plus, being central to something should inflate our ego's…. :wink:

@locutus

Thanks for those guides, they've really helped. I'm planning to use the windows 8 beta with that guide

February 9, 2010
10:38 PM
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I agree with you guys about the windows 8 name, that's why I included the line about the moon and planets lining up right. I was just trying to keep it light, with maybe a little humor mixed in. I keep forgetting that not everybody has my strange sense of humor. Oh well.

I'm impressed with how this thread is turning out. There's some good ideas for the new site that all sound good. I'm looking forward to seeing it when it comes online!

By considering the opinions of dotTechies, Windows Eight.org should end up to be a site that will compliment dotTech and vise-versa. Again, I'm looking forward to seeing it.

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February 10, 2010
12:55 AM
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Good, the intuition that http://www.windowseight.org is owned by Ashraf & not by an affiliate or a friend turned out to be bullseye!:smile:

1) Feels good to note that some of us feel it nice if end consumer benefits of these twins are complementary rather than duplicated. http://www.dottech.org for giveaways; http://www.windowseight.org for concepts is one method of a neat delineation. There might be other ways too. Delineation rather than duplication is however definitely required.:smile:
2) Unforeseen duplication of consumer benefits increases the risk of cannibalization of both sites to a point wherein either both lose or it becomes a zero sum game.:eek:
3).www.windowseight.com can also drive an additional or new consumer segment to http://www.dottech.org provided the webmaster crafts the positioning shrewdly.:wink: Relatively speaking "dottechies heavy users" are likelier to be non-geeks (even though its opinion leaders may be geeks). So logically http://www.windowseight.com should be targeted at midgeek to geek level.That way, from a business standpoint you'd be targeting 3 consumer segments non-geek, mid-geek & geek rather than running the risk of cannibalization of just one consumer segment.
4)It is humble to acknowledge that perhaps at present there is a relatively better business understanding about non-geeks rather than geeks.Humility would help you learn a different ballgame.:smile:
5)I wouldn't worry too much about the windows8 vs windowseight naming or typing difficulty.Browsers offer shortcuts, plugins for url shortening et al.Experience shows that content & webmaster ultimately draw visitors.Sure a short name helps (other things remaining equal).However my gut in this case tells me that http://www.windowseight.org is not a name which is a deal loser.:smile: Besides there is so much more to life that 5,6 or eight etc etc do not matter. It does not dominate our lives.Even Microsoft is not so big as to dominate our lives.A name is a limited metaphor.What matters is the mystique/ x factor or persona surrounding that name.
6)Let me explain point 4. A webmaster/website inspires a cult following or a loyal-tribe- following just like Harley Davidson motorcycles do. This mystique or X factor cannot be articulated for you by fellow bloggers. You need to get a skilled market research & qualitative research to ferret that out.Or else you need to intuit it. Or boldly just depend on your gut – since it has served you well all along.Lose the X factor & you could lose your tribe; tweak the X factor wrongly & you could lose your tribe:frown:

I'd suggest that the entrepreneur in you should be willing to invest in research too (if need arises) to complement the investment in purchase of domains.That's a question you need to intuit, research or answer to yourself.

Whether research or not the end goal is success.I am sure this webmaster has it in him to figure out the recipe.

Ramesh

February 10, 2010
5:36 AM
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There is also an innovative idea for http://www.windowseight.org.:smile:

In http://www.dottech.org javascript is allowed to make webpages more interactive.In http://www.windowseight.org be the first to allow Jscript as well. Jscript from Microsoft is a competitor to javascript from Sun.Jscript is one among 64 .NET languages.

These kind of innovations would make your webpage more innovative & teach a new concept to your visitors by practice & not just by theory. Besides it fits in with a Microsoft sponsorship strategy as well assuming you adopt a strategy to align with Microsoft.

Ramesh:wink:

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