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February 10, 2010
1:45 PM
Refpeuk
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How do you become an expert on an OS before it even comes out? I'm afraid I don't quite follow Pwnana.

Also, since I have read sites saying that Windows "8" was in planning even before 7 was released, I think that mean that the chances are good that that will be the name of the next windows. That being said, computer companies can really surprise us.

For those of you interested, there's a really interesting fan-made concept video out there for windows 8. Who knows if it would ever work or not, but it sure looks cool.

Any comments? Questions? Outbursts?
February 10, 2010
2:35 PM
Pwnana
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You become an expert on what can be expert..ed… So for now, its basically just a tentative release date and a few job listings and patents. But when something more substantial comes out, jump on it. Maybe a dottechie will become eligible for some closed beta testing. I seem to recall that happening to some community-based Widnows7 sites. I say we discuss this in the WindowsEight.org forums <img src="http://dottech.org/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" title="Wink" alt="Wink" /> .

EDIT: Basically just do what http://windows8news.com/ and http://windows8center.com/ are doing. Only better =P.

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February 11, 2010
2:24 AM
Ramesh Kumar
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Wow! Both contrarian views regarding Windows 8 are very well argued & therefore both are helpful.Smile

I find one issue so curious that it cannot be a coincidence.It is based upon 2 facts:-
1) Win7 has underperformed & also underperformed versus its 2 immediate predecessors. The latter is even more serious.
2) Under such circumstances it is not very streetsmart for Microsoft to even talk about Windows 8 in the public domain called internet.It indirectly blights Win7! Not only has Microsoft done that but it has compounded the indiscretion by allowing Google to index that page.Quite silly & immature really!Wink

It underscores the seriousness of a declining mkt share & a poor adoption rate.

Ashraf's strategy under such circumstance is to keep his new domain not focused only upon Windows 8 for 2 reasons:-Smile
1)Microsoft is a long way off from stabilizing its new initiatives. These issues at least for some time would keep yo yoing
2)Generically from a webmaster point of view this issue is too topical to dedicate an entire domain to.It is blowing hot now & therefore in the tactical short term may fetch a lot of visitors .Once its over it will blow cold & web visitors would taper off again.That could mean a financial loss for the webmaster.Surprised

Therefore the theme for the new domain should be a topic which would fetch him long term gains & not merely short term ones.After all he cannot go on buying up domains.The domains got to pay back too.Smile

As a visitor all 3 of us & indeed our entire blog family would benefit if Ashraf does not dedicate it only to Windows 8. Here's why:-
1) Webmastering cannot be decentralized. You can delegate tasks. But how do you delegate your mystique or X factor?Laugh
2) Stretch a webmaster across too many websites & we run the risk of quality suffering & even no. of visitors going down. Both webmaster & visitors would then lose outFrown

Therefore I propose another approach.Smile

Ramesh

February 11, 2010
2:39 AM
Ramesh Kumar
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So what should we do?Smile

We agree that there in any case should be a relevant delineation between http://www.dottech.org & http://www.windowseight.org. The point is what should be the delineation.Confused

I made a big mistake by suggesting the former to be "giveaways only" & the latter to be "computer concepts only aka hacks etc etc".That was silly of me because:-Frown
1) dottech:- which is today "giveaways plus concepts" would look rather naked if you downgrade its avatar to "giveaways only". I visited other sites in the genre of giveaways & freewares & my blooper hit me like a ton of bricks. dottech ain't broke so why fix it?; just because windowseight came along!How utterly silly of me.It would rob dottech of its usp. Ashraf has a flair for differentiating his site.How can one allow that to get screwed?Frown

2) therefore the method of delineation has to be differentWink

3) windowseight should:-
cover "concepts, hacks et al" across 2 genres of visitors – mid geeks & full geeks

To avoid this post becoming too long I'll articulate further in the succeeding post.Forgive me for the interim inconvenience

Ramesh

February 11, 2010
3:06 AM
Ramesh Kumar
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When you buy a computer book it is either basic (nongeek) or intermediate (midgeek) or advanced(geek).SmileFunnily when you read a blog the article pompously insists that it be equally liked whether the reader is non geek, mid geek or geek!Frown Its a bit like Henry Ford once said "you can buy a Ford in any colour so long as it is black".Laugh

Henry Ford's pompous paradigm shifted in cars but there has been no paradigm shift when it comes to blogs!Confused A web visitor can align appropriately his skill level if he buys a computer book but not if he reads a computer blog!Surprised Why?Laugh

Is conventional practice so furrowed that one can never get out of the beaten track or is there a way to change the paradigm & benefit from that.Laugh

1) dottech is a differentiated website for "NONGEEKS"
2) windowseight needs to be a differentiated for those who are "NOT NONGEEKS"
3) you would observe that ALL websites in the "geek" segment are EITHER targeted at midgeek or geek.NONE of them are targeted at BOTH MIDGEEK & GEEK. Our webmaster could use that usp for windowseightSmile

Learnings & A Laugh as well
1)At one time people felt that you could wash your clothes well only if you scrubbed them with a bar of soap
2)At the other end were the modernists who hated soap or at least hated scrubbing.They felt that it was best to rinse dirty clothes in a detergent.
3)Unilever was streetsmart.They introduced a genre between both extremes – a bridge you could say.This was a detergent tablet.Now you got a detergent & also could cater to your inner urge to scrub

With the soap(Sunlight), tablet (Rin) & rinse solution (Surf) Unilever protected all 3 flanks & gained & protected its market leadership

Using the analogy I recommend:-
1.dottech – "giveaway+concept for non geeks".Let it remain as it is
2.windowseight – "concepts for midgeeks & geeks"

Hope it is helpful & humorous tooSmile

Ramesh

February 11, 2010
3:34 AM
Ramesh Kumar
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HiRefpeuk!
Please give the fan-made video link to windows 8

Ramesh

February 11, 2010
9:45 AM
Pwnana
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How long does it take you to write most of your posts? XD The only think I don't really get is why you think dottech is only "non-geeks". I'm pretty sure most of the frequenters who just want the freebies and Ashraf's reviews may be, but in any site the forums are the heart of community and I would bet most of us would describe ourselves as geek. I also thought that windowseight.org would be more like a place devoted to… Windows 8, whereas everything else belongs on Dottech.

And Ashraf, are you making much of a profit off this site?

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February 11, 2010
12:58 PM
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Well, this thread has certainly taken off in a whole different direction than I intended when I started it. I had simply intended to ask if WindowsEight (.org) was Ashraf's site or not. A simple question, requesting a simple answer. And if a little humor got thrown in along the way, great.

Ashraf was kind enough to answer, telling us that it is his site and saying that he's open to suggestions for it.

Please note: The following is meant with the utmost respect for anyone that has read or replied in this thread.

But now the thread seems like it's turned into something where people are trying to tell Ashraf how to set up his new site and why. There's even a questiion asking about how much profit he's making off dotTech. That crosses the line of what is acceptable!

People, that is private information that we have no business what-so-ever asking for! Do you ask the same question at every store you go into too?

Ashraf said: "I am open to suggestions."

According to Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, suggestion means: the process by which one thought leads to another especially through association of ideas. Or: a slight indication.

Had he said he wanted to told step by step how to set up the new site and why he should do it that way, I would understand the way this thread has gone. But he didn't. He asked for suggestions, that's all.

So I will suggest and request that if you want to have a detailed conversation about how WindowsEight (.org) is set up and run, or you want private information about either one of Ashraf's sites, either show enough respect to do it in private via email or at least start your own thread with that as the topic.

This thread, as it is now has morphed into something that makes me sorry I started it in the first place.

I will also note that for all I know, Ashraf might be sitting back watching this thread perfectly happy with what is written here. He may be picking out information/ideas that he likes and discarding the rest. It's his site, so he has the right.

To Ashraf or any other moderator: I would like to request that this thread be either locked, or better yet deleted.

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