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July 31, 2012
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I'm just checkin' to make sure that the person yelling that, "the sky is fallin'" is nothing more than a troll.  The one worried 'bout GOTD and the new wrapper they're using that probably isn't depositing a rootkit on us poor unsuspecting souls.

I'm wondering if he's pushing some sour grapes as he can't get into the programs anymore and is attempting to pressure GOTD to revert back to their old system?

I'm a psuedo-nerd and although most of my friends come to me for 'puter help, I'm not all that and a bag of chips.  So I depend on you true nerds to help with whats up.

August 1, 2012
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Not sure who you are referring to.  The new wrapper is a pain.  It works on only one of my two laptops. One of my two PCs.

One times out every time and the other claims I do not have admin privileges (which I do).  People at my work complain that the giveaways don't work.  I don't even tell people when there is a cool giveaway anymore because I know they may not get it to work.

 

Many on their "New Wrapper" page claim they can no longer get the giveaways.  I haven't even commented on that page yet.

I must preface this part with the following statement: I am against piracy.

The new wrapper was cracked 6 days after release.  People can still create cracked versions of every giveaway.   Remember, Themida is like a lock pick – it can be used for good and for bad.  It's been used to inject tons of trojans and reverse engineer.  The black hatters know it very well and have already created a tool to auto-crack the programs.  I think it took as long as 6 days because the giveaways are worthless more than half of the time. Their software and much better software is available to download in pirated format.  I don't see any wrapper stopping a thief from getting what they want.

 I still check the site out everyday but they went overboard with this.  The companies should have their own secure registration procedures.  The old wrapper was way too easy to crack but this is overkill and it has backfired.    The old wrapper was way too easy to crack but this is overkill and it has backfired.   That's my two cents.

 

PS – Has Ashraf ever revealed why he ever cut association with GOTD?  If not, okay by me but I was always curious so if he has made it public I would like to know.  His reviews were stellar!  Cool

August 1, 2012
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Hi shiner, it was some person by the name "Jeremy" on the raymond.cc website.

http://www.raymond.cc/blog/gaotd-setup-keeper-keeps-giveawayoftheday-installer-file/ (not as fancy as you are)

As for piracy, I'm a bit old for such excitement.  IMHO piracy for the sake of piracy are kids being kids (usually lads). I don't condone such although I do think it's better then destroying property, which is what male kids did when I was young (70's).  If they steal to sell that's where I would have a problem, the creator of the program is entitled to recompense .  Usually (so it seems I might be wrong let me know if so if you would) they share with their clique, bragging rights, etc. I would rather if all the laddies were hanging out the the local YMCA playing basketball, building habitats for humanity, etc, but that's not going to happen with most of the bored & nerdish.  FWIW for the most part, they'll outgrow it (mad hatter comes to mind).

I'm not surprised although I wasn't sure 'bout how fast they crack the protection.  Some smart kids out there.  But like you say most of the GsOTD are…….., questionable as for usefulness.  But how in the world could one promise useful stuff 365 days a year, year in and year out?  I haven't really seen anything of personal interest since the new wrapper.  I'll let you read what "Jeremy" stated and see what you think (again if you wouldn't mind). I'm wonering if said wrapper accidentally creates a backdoor or some such exploit.

I don't know Ashraf (I'm mostly been a lurker), although there may have been a row with others over there.  I think Ashraf is a pretty cool person (not sure if 'he' is a he), and I enjoy his honesty with reviews.

August 1, 2012
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I too would have been better off making piracy a pastime rather than some of the things I did out of boredom as a kid.

 

Regarding this Jeremy guy, he wrote, "Themida is a rootkit which is installed on the computer. It may only be active during installs, but contrary to their statements, as an IT professional, it remains present on your PC and I have absolute proof that this is the case."

 

Why doesn't he prove it?  I wouldn't be surprised.  Combofix is an amazing program but it can screw up a computer too.

I will have to ask the guys a bleepingcomputer (who developed combofix) if they know it to be true.

 

I will report back if I get an answer.

August 2, 2012
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Hee. You and me both.  Bad boys as kids. Dang testosterone combined with a 3 or more guys together and….., trouble.  I'm happy I wasn't caught destroying garbage cans in that gated community.  But, I do understand why they seal juvie records. Guys 9/10 outgrow that.

 

"Jeremy" did lay it on a bit thick.  He may just be a troll.  No one 'fed' him after his message so that is making me lean toward that assumption.  He may just be attempting to trick people into screwing up their own computer with combofix?

 

That would be great shiner.  I notice that no one else is offering opinions here either.

 

Anyone?

August 7, 2012
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sci said
Hee. You and me both.  Bad boys as kids. Dang testosterone combined with a 3 or more guys together and….., trouble.  I'm happy I wasn't caught destroying garbage cans in that gated community.  But, I do understand why they seal juvie records. Guys 9/10 outgrow that.

 

"Jeremy" did lay it on a bit thick.  He may just be a troll.  No one 'fed' him after his message so that is making me lean toward that assumption.  He may just be attempting to trick people into screwing up their own computer with combofix?

 

That would be great shiner.  I notice that no one else is offering opinions here either.

 

Anyone?

As promised. here is the answer we were looking for:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic463507.html

August 8, 2012
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That was very interesting. In her 1st reply the Bleepin' Blonde stated that she wouldn't want Themedia on her system even though it's not a rootkit.  Hm. After reading the Ocean Tech link I can see why. "..the software protector will first take control of the CPU and check for cracking tools running on the system."  Makes me wonder if some of those people having problems installing the wrapped programs are infected? Or perhaps have their own cracking software running? I've used some of those freeware serial searchers (after turning off the internet connection) to record all my important serials in one place in case of a reinstall. I've not had a problem with those although they weren't running during install of a GAOTD program.

I guess it boils down to how much one can trust all the totally anonymous characters over at GAOTD. How dumb are we, really? Hee. We know there are peeps out there that can warp those wrappers for nefarious means. Although I'm not usually one prone to conspiracies.

Oh well. If GAOTD ups a program I just gotta try, I'll try it. I'll just keep my Norton AV, SUPERAntispyware and Malwarebytes signatures up to date.

 

Thanks for the share.

August 8, 2012
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That was very interesting. In her 1st reply the Bleepin' Blonde stated that she wouldn't want Themedia on her system even though it's not a rootkit.  Hm. After reading the Ocean Tech link I can see why. "..the software protector will first take control of the CPU and check for cracking tools running on the system."  Makes me wonder if some of those people having problems installing the wrapped programs are infected? Or perhaps have their own cracking software running? I've used some of those freeware serial searchers (after turning off the internet connection) to record all my important serials in one place in case of a reinstall. I've not had a problem with those although they weren't running during install of a GAOTD program.

I guess it boils down to how much one can trust all the totally anonymous characters over at GAOTD. How dumb are we, really? Hee. We know there are peeps out there that can warp those wrappers for nefarious means. Although I'm not usually one prone to conspiracies.

Oh well. If GAOTD ups a program I just gotta try, I'll try it. I'll just keep my Norton AV, SUPERAntispyware and Malwarebytes signatures up to date.

 

Thanks for the share.

Who knows what Themida thinks are cracking tools.  If reputable AV  programs get false positives, imagine what Themida gets wrong.  For instance, Nirlauncher  is packed with great safe tools but AV programs always think they are viruses.  That's just one example.  I would love to have a test computer to run some tests on it.   Combofix, Microsoft's Surface Attack Analyser, WhatChanged, etc.  I don't like GOTD's approach to this.  The crackers and hackers will still get the programs and upload them while the innocent GOTD users get invasive code controlling and sniffing around in their computer.  I skip most offers but may get some.  They will sink like a stone if they don't figure out a less invasive approach to their giveaways.

I use SUPERAntispyware, Malwarebytes and Spybot Search&Destroy.  I was using BitDefender Security Suite 2011 but it expires this week so I will probably get Kaspersky or F-Secure since they won best AV the last two years at av-comparatives.org

August 9, 2012
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I concur with ya there.  I'm thinking that most of the install problems stem from false positives via Themida.  And apparently there's no way to create a False + list to negate those such as exists for AV programs.  It seems (IMHO) Themida is designed for companies that have an IT department in charge of one (or so) unique system layouts, which could pick out and fix those errors, and not designed for a site that has hundreds of different unique computer systems never even seen. The business models designed like GAOTD unfortunately are not compatible with the real world of hackers and slackers. Unless some programming genius can develop an unhackable installer (Gibson?).

Ah the unpredictable future.  Kinda cool, I like.

I really like Kaspersky, it just bogged down my system.  Very resource intensive. I tried their AV program a couple of years ago. I figure that most of the top rated AV programs are similar enough.  By the time the results of those and similar tests are out, there are (at least) dozens of new virus signatures that would perhaps elicit different 'winners' if tests were performed then.  I further figure that Malwarebytes and SUPERAntispyware will take up the slack, and so far so good.  Malwarebytes (paid version) constantly blocks probes by jackarses out there and keeps me from drifting onto bad rated

sites.  Anything I D/L I check with all 3 programs. If even a hint that a program is questionable I run it through VirusTotal or Jotti's. I had Spybot years ago and liked it also.  I've never ever had a problem with the 3 I have running all together. And the licenses for Mal and SUPER are lifetime.

See ya!

August 9, 2012
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I concur with ya there.  I'm thinking that most of the install problems stem from false positives via Themida.  And apparently there's no way to create a False + list to negate those such as exists for AV programs.  It seems (IMHO) Themida is designed for companies that have an IT department in charge of one (or so) unique system layouts, which could pick out and fix those errors, and not designed for a site that has hundreds of different unique computer systems never even seen. The business models designed like GAOTD unfortunately are not compatible with the real world of hackers and slackers. Unless some programming genius can develop an unhackable installer (Gibson?).

Ah the unpredictable future.  Kinda cool, I like.

I really like Kaspersky, it just bogged down my system.  Very resource intensive. I tried their AV program a couple of years ago. I figure that most of the top rated AV programs are similar enough.  By the time the results of those and similar tests are out, there are (at least) dozens of new virus signatures that would perhaps elicit different 'winners' if tests were performed then.  I further figure that Malwarebytes and SUPERAntispyware will take up the slack, and so far so good.  Malwarebytes (paid version) constantly blocks probes by jackarses out there and keeps me from drifting onto bad rated

sites.  Anything I D/L I check with all 3 programs. If even a hint that a program is questionable I run it through VirusTotal or Jotti's. I had Spybot years ago and liked it also.  I've never ever had a problem with the 3 I have running all together. And the licenses for Mal and SUPER are lifetime.

See ya!

August 13, 2012
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sci said
I concur with ya there.  I'm thinking that most of the install problems stem from false positives via Themida.  And apparently there's no way to create a False + list to negate those such as exists for AV programs.  It seems (IMHO) Themida is designed for companies that have an IT department in charge of one (or so) unique system layouts, which could pick out and fix those errors, and not designed for a site that has hundreds of different unique computer systems never even seen. The business models designed like GAOTD unfortunately are not compatible with the real world of hackers and slackers. Unless some programming genius can develop an unhackable installer (Gibson?).

Ah the unpredictable future.  Kinda cool, I like.

I really like Kaspersky, it just bogged down my system.  Very resource intensive. I tried their AV program a couple of years ago. I figure that most of the top rated AV programs are similar enough.  By the time the results of those and similar tests are out, there are (at least) dozens of new virus signatures that would perhaps elicit different 'winners' if tests were performed then.  I further figure that Malwarebytes and SUPERAntispyware will take up the slack, and so far so good.  Malwarebytes (paid version) constantly blocks probes by jackarses out there and keeps me from drifting onto bad rated

sites.  Anything I D/L I check with all 3 programs. If even a hint that a program is questionable I run it through VirusTotal or Jotti's. I had Spybot years ago and liked it also.  I've never ever had a problem with the 3 I have running all together. And the licenses for Mal and SUPER are lifetime.

See ya!

Hey there again.  I just wanted to add that use Spybot Search & Destroy as a stand-alone.  I highly recommend using it once a week as it finds some things the other two does not and it's real good with BHOs, unwanted toolbars and adware.  I use the free Malwarebytes as a stand-alone too (the free one allows me to right-click scan files)  I tried the pro version but found it having a problem with too many things. (Pesky false alarms with legit programs phoning home and general false positives)  I am tempted to try it again though.  Spywareblaster is another I run weekly.  I am dropping BitDefender because it didn't seem to do anything and days could go by w/out a scan and it would report no issues to fix.  It's firewall seemed to be asleep at the wheel.

F-Secure is really good and may win the 2013 award.  The write a lot of good articles.  They are on top of the SEO poisoning and browser virus attacks.  I heard on the Clark Howard show that viruses come from website now than any other form. This seems to support that: http://www.statisticbrain.com/online-computer-virus-statistics/

As for Virustotal, jotti, etc.  I read recently that many of the results that read clean e.g. – (The hyphen) are not really scanned by the AV companies – some are – some aren't…..that the not scanned and clean show up the same.  I hope that is not true but I read that here, majorgeeks or bleepingcomputer.

Take care!

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