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Co.CC domain for Email and Website at the same time. Possible?
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December 3, 2010
7:15 AM
Duttie
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I am not too sure where to post this at…

 

Anyways, I followed this guide the other day, and managed to set up the custom email using the co.cc domain that i registered.

It worked flawlessly.

http://dottech.org/freebies/5325

 

But now, I want to set up a website using 000webhost.com using the same domain. Is that possible? Because I realise that you can only set your domain to 1 mode at a time, Name Server, Zone Records -OR- URL Forwarding.

 

Previously, I tried to register the domain on 000webhost.com and then applied for “Name Server” on Co.CC and realised that the URL Forwarding setting was gone! I panicked and reconfigured it back to URL Forwarding to the previous state. I hope my email service wont be disrupted.

 

So my question is, is it possible to use 1 domain for both the website and email?

December 3, 2010
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Yes. It is possible. You need to configure the email first, register it with google apps (or whatever else), then you can make the switch over to the nameservers.

I have successfully done this with multiple websites (see my signature), and I can offer you assistance if necessary.

December 3, 2010
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Yes it is, but it is a bit more complicated than simple URL forwarding. I assume you are using Google Apps like my tutorial says, right? I don't have a CO.CC domain registered at the moment so I can't tell you exactly the steps you need to do, but do this:

  1. Find out the IP addresses for the nameservers at 000webhost.com. They should be listed wherever you found the nameservers, or if you can't find them open up command prompt, type in “ping [nameserver]” (without the quotes). The IP address for the nameserver should be listed. Do this for both the nameservers you want to use.
  2. Go to “Zone Records” in your CO.CC control panel.
  3. Create “A Entries” using the IP addresses of the 000webhost.com nameservers.
  4. Create the the following “MX Entries”:
Priority Mail Server
1 ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.
5 ALT1.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.
5 ALT2.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.
10 ASPMX2.GOOGLEMAIL.COM.
10 ASPMX3.GOOGLEMAIL.COM.
Priority     Mail Server
1     ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.
5     ALT1.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.

5
    

ALT2.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.

10
    

ASPMX2.GOOGLEMAIL.COM.

10
    

ASPMX3.GOOGLEMAIL.COM.

 

Save it and just wait for everything to propagate (typically will take up 24-hours). You should be good to go!

December 3, 2010
8:04 PM
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Ouh I thought you'll need to keep the domain to URL Forwarding for the email to be up…

 

Okey thanks for clearing my doubts. I did try to change it to name server b4 and I got the details from 000webhost to fill it in. I just have to wait 24hours before trying another time because I deleted it previously haha.

 

I think I can manage for the time being, I'll ask if there's any more problems.

 

@Ashraf: I checked the zone records and found out that it's already there. I guess it was automatically added when I made google apps.

 

THANKS BOTH OF YOU!

December 3, 2010
8:53 PM
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You are welcome! I hope you get it working — having a custom e-mail is just plain cool Laugh.

December 5, 2010
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Alright. Thanks both of you. I managed to get the website up using iWeb + cyberduck/filezilla (After removing the <? tags).

 

1)But I realize the MX settings are gone after setting up Name Server. Is the email setting supposed to be temporal?

 

2)I also got to know I had to pay $10 if I want more than 2 domain. So I created another account ( most of the time are not allowed) and got a warning at the top of the website saying something like “You have 2 account. This account will be deleted” I panicked and delete my new account. lol.

I don't mind paying $10, but I want to know if anybody got away with it and have afew accounts that's still alive right now?

 

3)And did you guys trust them with your real details, name and addresses?

 

@Casey You have a great website there! I'm sure gonna share it with my friends. Good work!

(oops, it's not working now, It was afew days ago)

December 5, 2010
5:49 PM
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Duttie you need to.manually enter the A and MX zone entries I mentioned previously. Doing the nameservers overrides the MX entries.

December 5, 2010
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Ouh okey… so after setting up Name Server (For website), I have to set up A and MX zones(For email)? Because so far, my email is still working fine.

December 5, 2010
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Hmm… Can you please take screenshots of your domain set on Co.CC website and show? Show me the DNS zone settings and the nameservers, etc.

December 5, 2010
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1)Image 1

2)Image 2

 

Currently, my zone records and URL forwarding is empty, for theatticgenesis.co.cc (The domain i wanna make into an email and website)

December 5, 2010
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EDIT: Quite a few posts were posted while I was writing this. I'll try to update this if necessary.

 

@Duttie

1.) I've set up my websites a little differently than Ashraf said above (with the MX records). If you follow the steps on 

http://dottech.org/freebies/5325

You should get to a point where you copy and paste the CNAME record from Google onto the CO.CC setup. After Google Apps verifies that you own the website, there is no longer any use for “Google Apps Email Setup”, and thus, you can switch over to “Name Servers”. This is assuming that you reached the confirmation page in Google Apps, which signifies that Google Apps no longer needs to verify that your co.cc is actually yours. After switching to Name Servers with “ns01.000webhost.com” and “ns02.000webhost.com”, you should be able to keep your email and have your custom 000webhost enabled co.cc. I've been able to do this before in the past, so in theory, it should work. I haven't done it in a while so this may not be the actual process, but I'm pretty sure that this is what I did.

 

2.) I have a few accounts working, and no $10 nor deletion notice. This could be because I clear my cookies, cache, and anything else a website may want to store, often. 

 

3.) Since it is easy for anyone to find out where you live and attempt to spam you, I would suggest keeping that information private. However, I'm pretty sure that they would like to have some information about you just in case of some “suspicious activity”, so it is probably against their TOS. If you know co.cc sites, you can use the co.cc whois (http://www.co.cc/whois.php) to see what other users gave as information for their accounts.

 

4.) My site is undergoing some maintenance, so I brought it down for a day or so. I'm making some changes under the hood, and I wouldn't want hackers to break in while I am doing that.

 

I hope I answered most of the questions that you have, just ask if you need more information.

December 5, 2010
6:20 PM
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@Casey

 

1) Yeah I did the same thing like you too. Followed the guide, google apps verified the domain, set up Name Server, website is up right now. Basically everything's up, but I wanted to make sure the settings are correct.

 

2) Ouh okey it's good to know..

 

3) Yeah I tried using whois afew days ago and found it almost all the detail I provided them, wasnt masked. That's what made me think twice on using my main email and putting real details. I guess I'll just use my nickname…

December 5, 2010
7:12 PM
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In theory, switching to nameservers should cancel the Google Apps because nameservers points the domain to a specific web host, who then controls the MX entries. However, it could be that co.cc saves MX entries after Google Apps has been setup, allowing you to point to nameservers.

Duttie if you can give me a screenshot of what the “Zone Records” shows you I can better help you out.

December 5, 2010
7:22 PM
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Ouh so usually it would not make out email work? So far it's sending and recieving fine. It's been 5 days already.

 

Zone Records picture

December 5, 2010
8:03 PM
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Hmm, weird. CO.CC must work a different way, then.

You see what happens is whenever you set a domain to point at nameservers, the web host of the nameservers controls the MX entries (e-mail entries) related to that domain unless the MX entries have specifically been changed at the domain registrar. If the e-mail and website is working fine for you, than “if it ain't broke don't fix it”.

If in the future it stops working, just add A entries (the IP address of the nameservers) and MX entries (Google's servers — what I provided above) to the “Zone Records” and you will be good.

December 5, 2010
8:07 PM
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Ashraf said:

 If the e-mail and website is working fine for you, than “if it ain't broke don't fix it”.

 


True.

Alrighty then… I'll see what happens afew more days.

 

But based on Casey's experience, it should be fine…

December 5, 2010
8:17 PM
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One more thing: If you are willing to pay money (like the $10 you mentioned above) I highly suggest you spend it elsewhere. Paying $10 for a subdomain (which is what essential a .co.cc is) is a waste of money. For $10 a year you can get a TLD.

December 5, 2010
8:22 PM
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Haha yeah that was actually on my mind but so far, i only found .com .org .net TLDs that costs the lowest $8/mth. I remember coming across ads that say $10/year but just can't find it. Thats why I thought 100 sub domains that looks pretty decent (co.cc kinda short) would be fine as i was just trying out on websites and custom emails, nothing serious as of now.

 

Do you have any recommendations? I'll definitely buy them.

 

A quick google search got me:

http://www(dot)lowpricedomains(dot)com/domains/

http://www(dot)dynonames(dot)com/

I'm new to this, so I'm afraid there's some fine lines that I missed.

December 5, 2010
8:59 PM
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Whoa, were are you looking? $8/month for a TLD is very expensive. There are many places where you can buy TLDs for about $10/year but the cheapest place I have found is Internet.bs – between $7-8 a year for a TLD with free private registration. dotTech is currently registered with 1and1.com (biggest mistake of my life) but I plan on moving to Internet.bs soon.

December 5, 2010
9:33 PM
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ouh haha I guess Ive been looking at Domain + Hosting plans.

 

1and1.com biggest mistake? Care to share the experience?

 

Wow I checked out internet.bs and it looks good, less than a 7.99, u get private whois.

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