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Computer Takes longer at Boot screen, longer to sign in and crashes more!
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February 18, 2010
1:12 AM
Conn Platt
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Hey Dottechies,

Two days ago i decided, “thats it, i’ve had enough!” i wanted to remove Zemana Antilogger as it was doing “bugger all”, before this i was using a program called Desktops from sysinternals, you know that program from microsoft technet, anyway i was running that happily on my Vista comp when i realised there was no exit button and i was so fed up with restarting my computer to end it, so instead i used task manager and ended the process, the uninstalled Zemana Antilogger, i needed to restart my computer after this so i did, only to find the Check Disk Screen come up and then restart again, i know somethings wrong when it runs check disk:eek:, i noticed that when it got to the bootscreen it took much longer to boot:eek:, after a minute (usually it only takes a few seconds!) it booted to the welcome screen where i logged in.

To my surprise the found new hardware came up when i logged in after the desktop and everything else had booted. Everything also loaded up a lot slower and this “Found New Hardware” dialog jumped up telling me that it could not find drivers for my “Unidentified device”, so i thought well this is stupid, i’ll just restart. So i did, finally logged in and everything and it came up again, nothing was actually plugged into the computer, i thought maybe its uninstalled one of my computers components but no, i checked and everything was still installed!

I uninstalled Zemana AntiLogger off my Laptop too but its my desktop that was damaged, personally i think that it was the Desktops program , everytime i restarted it came up again in the end i had to just tell it not to come up anymore as it offered me that option, but even now the computer still takes much longer to boot up.

Windows seemed to crash much more after that, that’s whats worrying me the most!:cry::cry:

PLEASE someone, i really need help here any way to solve it anything, i cant stand the crashing and slow boots!:yell:
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
Thankyou to anyone in advance

Conn

Difficult, to be sure…..but it shall be done!!
February 18, 2010
1:42 AM
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What did you uninstall them with. Have you checked your Event Viewer.

February 18, 2010
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Dear Conn09,Smile

Relax friend. SmileI faced exactly what you did on my desktop winxp professional 32bit non-.NET & came out of it.  I too installed Zemana Antilogger & then uninstalled it pronto. I'll tell you how I came out of it.

1) This “Found New Hardware” is pesky but not damaging. The dialogue box looks as if its from Microsoft but is not or rather may not be. There is no Microsoft mentioned on it. If it is from Microsoft it is some sort of silly mkt survey Microsoft is doing. Do not lose sleep over it……..yet. YOU MUST NEVER EVER CLICK ON ANY OF ITS OPTIONS. YOU MUST ONLY EXIT IT. CLICK ON AN OPTION & IT MIGHT PROVE HURTFUL. On your system tray this pesky guy gives you an icon which looks like garden scissors. Right? Smile

2) BTW we XP guys are quite villainous from the hard disk guys point of view. Wink Vista is somewhat loved but only Win7 is the darling of them all. XP guys are a bunch of lousies while Vista guys can be tolerated to a certain extent. Neither does XP require oodles aka GB's of hard disk, nor oodles of RAM nor even a cpu which needs to run extraordinarily fast for brief periods at runtime (I am referring to .NET which needs faster cpu's). Therefore the hardware guys hate us. On the positive side Vista guys are hated lesser than XP guys. So chill out for………now because all this hoopla is mainly because of that. It could just be a silly mkt survey Microsoft is doing for its hardware associates but to which it does not want to lend the Microsoft name to! Wink

2)This is however something which comes on at bootup so it could be a kernel level hook which is why it initializes so fast & appears within 3 minutes of booting up; in fact before you've completed booting. Even so do not lose sleep over it…… yet. After your problem is solved or maybe before you need a rootkit cleaner anyway. In the succeeding post I'll give you that forum thread name – I do not readily recall it & it is not now on my recent posts list.

3)I've noticed it on my desktop ONLY WHEN I REMOVE MY EXISTING ANTI KEYLOGGER. I DO NOT REMOVE my antilogger permanently BUT ONLY TO REINSTALL IT ONCE AGAIN.BTW

4)Why do I uninstall my antilogger if all that I wish to do is to reinstall it once again?! Because my antilogger sometimes does not initialize properly. Some other impish app or process knocks it off its pedestal. Do not be naive into believing that the imp is always only a “non-Microsoft character”. It could even be msims hooking your keyboard to spy on you. Mine did & still tries to do. BTW you do have the option to either disable it, let ms messenger icon on your system tray (the one which says signed in & has a silhouette of a head on a bust) run only in the background, or let it not start on bootup- msims that is. DO NOT HOWEVER DISABLE msims. Smile

5)What are the items aka processes which start at your bootup? Keep that list thin & relevant. Cut flab. Do it carefully & not unwisely. Consult this forum

6)Do these things to come out of the problem. I did these things & came out of the problem:-

  1. First thing – switch off internet completely
  2. Clean your traces first with History Cleaner Pro (I got it from http://www.giveawayoftheday.com when Ashraf reviewed it), followed by CCleaner latest freeware version. DO NOT USE East-Tec Eraser 2009 version 9.5 “UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT THOROUGHLY. THAT IS AN EXCELLENT APP BUT VERY VERY VERY POWERFUL”
  3. Use Glarys Utilities – pro or free (check this blog site – some have it). First do a one-click-maintenance followed by the all other moduless except for System tools. DO NOT USE SYSTEM TOOLS AT THIS JUNCTURE WITHIN GLARYS UTILITIES.
  4. Don't even go near Advanced SysCare Pro. I cannot prove why. I intuited & just stayed away from it. If you do have deep emotional attachment to this guy USE ONLY SIMPLE MODE IN REGISTRY CLEANING. STAY AWAY FROM DEEP SCAN REGISTRY SCAN TILL YOU UNDERSTAND IT OK?
  5. Use 1 step optimizer in WinOptimizer 2010 Advanced after you have disabled its registry clean option. It will wipe off various traces. After doing this come out of 1 stop optimizer in WinOptimizer 2010 Advanced. Go to its Registry Optimizer. Use it. Don't blindly use it but accept or reject certain things. If in doubt, don't remove the thing you have doubts about. Intelligently this bloke creates a restore point so that registry cleansed can be reverted to what it was before you cleaned it. So you are double safe anyway.
  6. Use WinUtilities Pro 9.41 for only 2 things – history cleaning everything except “prefetch files” & for registry cleaning. Create backups (I prefer a restore point in this case rather than a backup) before & after all these things. Use a notebook & a pen if required. Name your back up in an “idiot-proof manner” aka “History clean Feb 18 2010 1532 hrs” etc. That way you won't get shafted by any of these apps
  7. Repeat point 6 with jvPowerTools 2009. Why go to this guy last? Man this guy is like wow – a kind of port of last resort. That is why I follow this sequence
  • Do all this & you'd be out of the woods just like I was. Stay cool throughout.
  • BTW you cannot install the excellent antilogger I have – SnoopFree Privacy Shield 1.0.7 simply because it runs only on XP. HOWEVER DO NOT FOLLOW THIS BLINDLY. PLEASE RECONFIRM THIS BECAUSE THIS WAS WHEN I CHECKED SOME TIME AGO. THAT & THE FACT THAT I HAVE HAD XP PROFESSIONAL 32 BIT NON-.NET FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. MAYBE THIS EXCELLENT APP NOW COVERS VISTA AS WELL. CHECK IT OK?
  • Judiciously create a restore before & after every move (in every app) & give it the kind of idiot proof name I gave you

You'll be definitely out of the woods my friend

RameshSmile

February 18, 2010
2:49 AM
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Conn09Smile

Got it. It is Services.exe consuming 50% CPU & it is in the forum

Apps in points 2, 3, 5, 6 & 7 (except for CCleaner) are there in this blogsite i.e. http://www.dottech.org so just find them okay?

All the best!Smile

Ramesh

February 18, 2010
3:13 AM
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@Amnesia: Revo Uninstaller and what do you mean Event Viewer, do you mean the Task Schedular?:oops:

@Ramesh: I’m on Vista BTW, my laptop is the one with XP and that is just fine. :lol:thankyou friend for your very LONG post but it is not Services.exe consuming too much of the CPU or RAM, i have been keeping a watchful eye on that post, it caught my interest, and the message was in fact from Microsoft even the User Account control stated that it was microsft, i never have any virus’s, i’ll take another look but i’m sure there isn’t anything, dont worry friend, i know more than enough about virus’s to keep my system safe, i clicked “do not show this message again” and User Account control popped up telling me that Admin Tools, i think thats what its called anyway, from Microsoft Corporation wanted to change a setting. Since then the message has not come up, the CPU is fine and the RAM is normal as it can be on a Windows Vista desktop, its just these damn boot ups, they only take a few seconds longer but still!

My Vista Comp is tempermental at times, sometimes if i get the right number of apps on it or remove an app, it will run perfectly, if i then remove one of those apps it slows down for a bit, it may stay like that for a bit but then it speeds up again, very Tempermental.:yell:

Thanks,

Conn

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February 18, 2010
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Event Viewer is in control panel. Please go to control panel-Administrative tools-Event Viewer and open it. It will list you if you have any errors or warnings on this machine.

I won't go for all those tools mentioned by Ramesh for cleaning junk from the hard drive. I will only pick the best one. Win Utility 9.41 should be enough. Also please clean the preftech folder. I am not sure why Ramesh told you to unselect that. Prefech folder is “Each time you turn on your computer, Windows keeps track of the way your computer starts and which programs you commonly open. Windows saves this information as a number of small files in the prefetch folder. The next time you turn on your computer, Windows refers to these files to help speed the start process.”

So if the files becomes corrupt then Windows can take longer to boot. So please clean the prefetch folder manually. Location c-windows-prefetch.

I was also facing this problem of Vista taking long to boot when i had McAfee Total Protection installed. I am not sure which antivirus protection you use.

Also try doing this. Start-Run-type msconfig-click on boot TAB-Advanced Options-Select No. of processors to 2 and also select maximum memory. This can speed up the Vista booting (if you are running Vista then i think you should have a dual core processor).

Hope this of any help to you.

Thanks.

February 18, 2010
5:48 AM
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@Ramesh: I already know about all that, i am good with computers its as i said the computer can be tempermental sometimes, i already have all the programs on your list, not installed all at once though that would be madness, everything you’ve said i do not really need to do or have already done, thankyou for the LONG LONG support again:lol:

@Sandeep: Thanks Sandeep for informing me of the Event Veiwer, typical really, i have used every tool on the computers control panel, but never even used that.:oops:

My computer is a Quad-core AMD Phenom with 3GB of RAM, its not startup thats doing it, the startup files are always kept to a major minimum of my Norton Internet Security and programs i have been running since i got the computer, before it suddenly crept to a halt!:yell:

Thanks for your continued Support guys, keep it up, i’ll inform you if i do anything to suddenly speed it up.

Thanks,

Conn

P.S. I did install VMWare Player just a few hours ago and i noticed on restart that the boot screen (showing the Microsoft Windows Vista and then a bar at the bottom scrolling across) had returned to its normal speed for now anyway, its just the startup now that needs to return to normal, also not as many crashes, its getting there guys keep up the support!

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February 18, 2010
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I've found when using Revo uninstaller you have to be a little carefull. Sometimes it wants to delete files that have nothing to do with the one your uninstalling,(advanced mode).

February 18, 2010
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@Amnesia: Yes i know about Revo being a bit too obsessive:???: sometimes, but i always check to make sure it doesn’t delete anything important.:smile:

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February 18, 2010
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It appears that the computers start-up is still slightly slower, but hopefully I’ll find a way.

keep up anything you’ve got to suggest.:cool:

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February 18, 2010
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Have you checked your services. Maybe something is still running.

February 18, 2010
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Yeah already did that as soon as i noticed the slow down

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February 18, 2010
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Did you have any errors in your event viewer. Have you ever used Autoruns. If you haven't, be carefull with it, it can mess your computer up.

February 18, 2010
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Have you tried cleaning the prefetch folder and booting your PC again?

Is there any process which has started consuming more memory?

February 18, 2010
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@Amnesia I had some errors but not fatal or otherwise, just natural errors, and no i dont think i have used Autoruns before i have heard of it though.

@Sandeep i read your Topic Services.exe consuming….. it’s nothing like that, i may have almost fixed it i’m not too sure yet. Thanks anyway

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February 18, 2010
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Try the diagnostic boot in msconfig.exe.

February 18, 2010
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When was the last time you defragged your harddrive? And not with the wimpy default defragger, but with a decent one?

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February 18, 2010
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Hi Sandeep!Smile Friend I am reverting on the issue regarding cleaning Prefetch. Trust me “yes” or “no” on this matter s not a YMMV thing.Smile

I used to be a gung-ho “clean your prefetch guy”. All it took to correct my wrongful thinking was 1 website & 1 blogger.

Both (I'll give you the links btw) explain why it is bad to clean prefetch in both xp & vista. Prefetch file aka .pf is only an index file/map file. It is not a file cache nor an mru list of recent files used or recent apps used. .pf file is also self-regenerative & the guy who regenerates it is the OS & not the user.

XP can hold only 128 indices within the .pf file i.e. 128 records (from 1 to 128). When the 129th record instantiates into the .pf file the first record gets deleted & once again there are only 128 records. In http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=743; The only new thing in the Vista article is that the Prefetch mechanism in Vista is a vast improvement over XP. The mapping system & responsiveness is improved. I am avoiding elaboration only so that my main learning stands out in bold leters – *Don't clean Prefetch simply because it actuall slows down your system & can even hurt you*

Your point about cleaning Prefetch when it has corrupted is a point very well made & therefore I gratefully do take that point.

How do you make out if 1, some or all Prefetch entries are corrupted? Kindly share

RameshSmile

February 18, 2010
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Hi Sandeep! Smile

The other point I am responding to is the issue regarding having several apps just for history cleaning. On this issue I respect your difference in perspective. I am posting merely to explain why I became a believer in “multi-apps” to “history clean” rather than using only 1 app. This is an IMHO issue:-Smile

1) Whenever I use a new app I read its log report purely as a matter of self interest so that I do not have to suffer a swim in a sea of apps. I've noticed that all the apps I mentioned clean different logs.They do not duplicate their effortsSurprised

2) I also inferrred this is how Microsoft wanted it. History Cleansing requires that a developer needs to know from Microsoft directly as to which logs can be cleaned safely so that some important functionality of the OS is not hurt. No good OS will be willing to suffer loss of reputation simply because of bad coding by a History Cleaner app. Its bad enough for an OS to suffer from its own mistakes. Besides the OS as you already know stores history in several different logs. I infer that Microsoft being a shrewd company does not wish to reveal all its log addresses to any one single developer. It prefers to reveal a little to Peter, a little to Paul, some to Jacob & a little to Simon. Which is why each cleaner cleans different things. I have even read some logs – only to discover that it contains just a number (which means something to Microsoft)

If each cleaner is a safe app & each cleans different things I gain precisely because I use more than 1 app & not just 1. Besides I whet them before I trust them.Wink

IMHO

Ramesh

February 18, 2010
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@Ramesh:  I may be wrong, but by definition, a log file can be deleted without harm to the OS.  It is simply a log of what has been done-in fact several cleaners delete them to free up space.

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