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Computer Takes longer at Boot screen, longer to sign in and crashes more!
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February 18, 2010
11:43 PM
Ramesh Kumar
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Hi Locutus!Smile 

You know why I said this Chief! jv PowerTools 2009 (thanks to http://www.dottech.org) reveals to you that there are certain logs which are not to be cleaned. *To my mind this is the only app which actually tells you. The other apps just sweep their brooms.

The logs in question it advises you not to clean are:-

  • Microsoft logs (not all but certain logs – it even names them!)
  • Alwil aka Avast logs

That's why I treat this app as the Prince Charming of History Cleaners. He also allows you to take a backup even before history cleaning!

So now you know why I often articulate my gratitude to you guys so openly. You guys rock!

RameshSmile

February 18, 2010
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Ahhh, well that makes sense.  I guess if a computer were a person with a maid (the cleaner) and the maid just threw out all their logs, they'd need to remake them… Yell

Oh, the site that was :(
February 19, 2010
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I delete everythingLaugh

February 19, 2010
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amnesia, I do that too, but I make sure I back up everything, just in case.

February 19, 2010
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Assalam Ashraf..Hai all..i have problem same with u (post no 1)..my PC run like turtle b4 this..after i uninstall zeman anti key logger.my pc show blue screen:yell:.(uninstall with revo uninstaller)try fix it..try go to microsoft link
http://support.microsoft.com/fixit#tab0 i have no more problem..now my pc run normally..no more hang or blue screen..:cool:

February 19, 2010
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sean said:

amnesia, I do that too, but I make sure I back up everything, just in case.


Nah, I don't bother doing that, takes to longLaugh

February 19, 2010
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Friend Sean!Smile

Just check up the file size of a "History Clean Backup file". I haven't measured so I do not know if it is a large file or not. Since you'd mentioned having 400GB hard disk (I think!) this may really not affect you much but it might affect others.

If its anything like the file size of "System Restore Point" it could be "scarily" large. BTW the size of a system restore point varies from user to user. One single restore might even be as large as 100-200mb (that's right one fifth of a GB!Cry).

Apart from file size when history traces are removed it automatically means removal of some hard disk files & some registry files as well. I know you must be having good apps & also a huge hard disk but even so I just thought I'd share this.

RameshSmile

February 19, 2010
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Thankyou to all of you that have responded to my post, although all the things you are telling me i have already done, except for deleting the prefetch, but i don't really want to do that. As i have said before in my post, my computer can be very temperamental, if i install a new program sometimes it runs faster, sometimes it runs slower, when i uninstall an app, sometimes it will be slower sometimes faster, its strange really but it does this often, the CPU and RAM are at normal levels so nothing is overwhelming them, but this slow start up just seems annoying. There's nothing new in the start up services to cause such a slow down, everything that was there before, when it used to start up fine.

@Pwnana: I defragment my drive everyday my friend and no not with the crappy default one but with Uniblue DiskRescue.:smile:

@Belacan: i am afraid that that fix is for users who have no idea what they are doing, no offense, but everything that it suggests is nothing that bothers me, i don't have multiple antivirus' on at the same time, my computer is more than fast enough to handle the visual effects and such, thank you for the suggestion but it seems more for inexperienced users who have low spec computers or just think its quicker to do that, again i mean no offense.:oops:

Difficult, to be sure…..but it shall be done!!
February 19, 2010
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Conn09 yes "temperamentalism" in computers is not unknown at all! Smile

Analogically an OS is like the king in his harem (in old history stories! & maybe even in some new ones). He has many wives but only a few favourite wive's  Wink  – just kidding. He (OS) gets along better with those favourite wives. Btw I am neither advocating polygamy nor denouncing polygamy Wink

Friend, I am glad to learn that at least the Zemana episode is behind you

RameshSmile

February 19, 2010
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Yes Unfortunately its not unknown, although i wish it was, Yes i'm putting this Zemana Antilogger episode behind me, along with the program itself!:cool:

BTW With Norton Internet Security 2010 would i need an Anti Rootkit?

Thanks to all Dottechies who replied to my post:lol:

Difficult, to be sure…..but it shall be done!!
February 19, 2010
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amnesia said:

I delete everythingLaugh


I usually do too.

Deleting log files should never causes problems. Apps just recreate a new log file if they need them.

February 19, 2010
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@Conn09 About Norton

No you dont. In AV-Test.org's tests Norton was one of the best in removing rootkits, getting a perfect score, so you're covered.

So fragmentation is obviously not the culprit. But why don't you want to delete the prefetch? Deleting it wont cause any problems, and if Windows finds that its missing it will just build another, which would fix any problems with it.

I know what you mean about temperamental. Sometimes my computer will run slowly for absolutely NO reason it seems. CPU and RAM usage are low, I have few apps open, no scans or anything, but everything just runs slowly. Sometimes a reboot will fix it, sometimes it goes away after a few minutes. Its really annoying :yell:.

You got Pwnd
February 19, 2010
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@Pwnana thanks i've always trusted Norton and im glad you agree with me about the temperamental computer subject.

can i just ask if it is safe to clean out the Prefetch how can i do that? I've never had to do that before.:oops:

Difficult, to be sure…..but it shall be done!!
February 19, 2010
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Go to C:/(or whatever drive the current Windows is on)windows/prefetch/. Either just select the whole folder and delete it or go inside and ctrl+A delete. You will probably find that after the next bootup your programs will load slower as it rebuilds the prefetch, but hopefully now the whole OS wont be crawling.

You got Pwnd
February 19, 2010
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Conn09 said "BTW With Norton Internet Security 2010 would i need an Anti Rootkit?"

You need a rootkit fighter despite having an AV. That's not because your AV is good or bad. A rootkit creeps in between a time frame when you uninstalled an AV & installed another if your internet was on. If no such timeframe existed then you need not bother & can depend just on your AV.

I had a note & an html link which validates this but I do not have that note or html link any longer. That's why I am unable to attach the validation to establish veracity.

RameshSmile

February 20, 2010
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If you are changing AVs, the best thing to do is to download the new one, then turn off all internet access. Uninstall the old one, install the new one and once it is working reconnect to the internet to get updates. This makes sure there is not that "window of opportunity" for a virus to sneak in when you are changing AV software.

February 20, 2010
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… But my point was that Norton has an outstanding rootkit finder and remover, so it would just be redundant to have a separate one. And if a rootkit got in between AVs, then just running a scan would find it. Isn't that just what the other antirootkit would do?

You got Pwnd
February 20, 2010
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Just 2 things:- Smile

1) Even the best AV still may not catch everything. Avira (refer Ashraf main blog article) catches the "most" thieves (a proven fact). Even so Avira does not catch "all" thieves. Meaning what one AV catches the other AV does not. Oh I am not saying Norton is better or Avira. That's not the point. Analogically I am just saying you need more than one policeman to catch thieves – aka AV & Rootkit catcher. One guy (policeman) in the metaphorical sense is from general-crime-squad (aka AV) & the other is from cybercrime-crime-squad (aka Rootkit catcher). Norton too is from general-crime-squad

2) Naturally it is hoped that these 2 policemen get along with each other i.e. no software clash. I think that conclusion can only be reached by trial & error which is unfortunate

RameshSmile

February 21, 2010
2:41 AM
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Oh & one more thing. No AV catches a rootkit which gets in between AVs. A very sad truth. If at all an AV catches a rootkit it can do so only if that rootkit tried to enter after the AV got installed

Karen's guidelines, Pwnana, as always are useful.

To answer your question just look at this. Let us assume that the older AV (the one which would get eventually uninstalled) in any case was not capable of catching the rootkit when the internet was on (while the installer of the new AV was being downloaded). See the irony. At this juncture the old AV even though installed was not capable of catching the rootkit while the new AV even though capable of catching the rootkit was still not installed! The new AV can catch the rootkit only after the new AV is installed.

In that short time window the rootkit devil gets in. This is despite following the best operating procedure of migrating from one AV to another AV!

Man this devil is as slimy as it is devilish. Technically the new AV is "on" only when it is fully installed & not "merely" because you've downloaded its installer. Which is why a rootkit remover is required always!

If you ask me (in lighter vein Wink) I wouldn't even call this devil a rootkit. Who would ever "root" for it. I wouldn'tWink

It is for this ironical reason that a rootkit is required anyway always! Yea now we know why life can be extremely funny even when it is very serious.Laugh

RameshSmile

February 21, 2010
3:16 AM
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THANKS EVERYONE!!!!!:lol:

I might have just fixed it myself:lol:,i've just been thinking for days "hey maybe it'll come up in the Device manager or something" so i checked and the "Unknown Device" actually came up in the device manager so i just disabled it and everything is now back to normal, the question still remains, where the hall did this stupid "Unknown Device" come from, was it just a side effect of uninstalling Zemana AntiLogger from Vista or was it the side effect of ending The program "Desktops" Process?:???:

I think what was causing the slowdown was that it was trying to boot the "Unknown Device" that didn't actually exist, well all's done for now, just waiting for the next time something comes to bugger up my PC this time.

At least now though my friend "got" (DOWNLOADED) me a copy of the Windows Vista Install disc so i can if my computer goes just reinstall the system with my product key:smile:. My computer didn't come with a reinstall disc unfortunately and i feel that the reinstall partitions are practically useless, i mean come on, how do you boot into it and also how the F*** are you supposed to use it if you F****** Hard Disc goes bust, very irritating if you ask me!:yell:

Thanks for your continued support throughout this, and @Pwnana and Ramesh, i will look into and do more research about the whole Norton anti root-kit thing although i think i should be ok. Thanks!!!:cool:

Difficult, to be sure…..but it shall be done!!
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